PED use in boxing - Is it particularly an American based problem?

[pong]

Originally Posted by jeffjoiner

How rigid is the testing in Europe? Steroids in sports go back to the Soviet bloc in the 1950s, so I'm sure they haven't disappeared over there.

Obviously, where there is more testing there will be more positive tests.

depends on the country germany has the strictest testing out there even stricter then floyd wants, spain is a free for all a doping doctor is on trial there now and claims he worked with a boxer, england has a solid not great system

[ELECTRIC GURU]

Originally Posted by dendy

Before the mack fight froch went on record stating that the testers turned up at his house unannounced at 7am in the morning to carry out a random blood test. Not saying this is common but it looks to be that random testing is in place over here.

Seeing as we are talking boxing, are you under the impression that there is more testing in America? To my knowledge the only random blood testing done is when fighters request that USADA run the tests prior to a fight?

This is a tremendous post, giving ESB a revealing insight into the positive steps being taken in British sport to rid our nations of PED cheating disgraces from representing us.

[dendy]

Originally Posted by m8te

no. the steps that need to be taken, however, to even expose ped use, probably arent being made.

Yes they are, like I mentioned in my previous post, the british boxing board of control are doing random blood testing.. Not enough of it is being done but some of the top fighters have been tested randomly so it has to be said it is a positive start.

Is this the case in America or is it still the case of urine tests before and after and only random blood testing when USADA are asked to be involved leading up to a fight? eg. Mayweather insists on testing

[ELECTRIC GURU]

Originally Posted by pong

depends on the country germany has the strictest testing out there even stricter then floyd wants, spain is a free for all a doping doctor is on trial there now and claims he worked with a boxer, england has a solid not great system

Thank you for such a valuable contribution to this thread pong.

[Big Left]

Steriod is rife in American sports, boxing in particualr. Almost every American superstar boxer of the past 20 years has been on PEDs. Mosley, Holyfield, Tarver, RJJ, Toney.... the list is endless.

In the UK, the sense of fairplay is still very strong. It is not like American - win at all costs or be forgotton about. When Dwain Chambers was caught doping the UK althetic commitee banned him for life and it was only the threat of being sued and the ruling of the World athletic body that allowed him to compete again.

Th fact that Americans even rate fighters like RJJ, Mosley, Holyfield, Toney, Tarver etc just sums it all up. In the UK these guys would be outcasts and not given the time of day by anyone.

[PIPO23]

Originally Posted by ELECTRIC GURU

It seems like we can't go a week without another American based disgrace being outed for being a PED cheat, i'm not just talking about American fighters but foreign fighters as well who fight in America and are either based their, trained their, or have trainers and medical teams from the US.

The shambolic list seems to go on, first started by the Roy Jones revelation when drug testing in professional american boxing first began, to the likes of Toney, Mosley, Vargas, Holyfield, Peterson, Tarver, Berto, Morales, Gamboa etc, along with the strongly suspicious cases of the likes of Pacquiao, Hopkins, Tyson and Marquez etc.

My own personal opinion is that American based boxing thoughout the 1990s and 2000s was absolutely drenched in PED use with American boxers thoughout these decades taking huge advantage of the lapse testing involved with boxing in a similar way to the American track and field team were having positive test's covered up, its pretty obvious that the few who have been caught is just the tip of the iceberg.






My question to you is

- Do you believe that this PED use has mainly been an American based problem in boxing? If not, why not?

of course America has a pedemic problem and is the PED capital of the World per capita.

[Big Left]

Originally Posted by knockout artist

I felt disgusted watching Dwain Chambers represent Team GB in the olympics - that man has no place on a professional sprinting track.

Similarly, I wonder how fans of fighters who are confirmed PEDs cheats can continue to watch, support and defend them!? Just like Dwain Chambers on a sprinting track, these cheats have no place in a boxing ring.

Exactly, but Americans seem to think that the likes of Holyfield are ATGs - how is that possible? Everything he ever did in boxing has a huge question mark by it. But people try to say it was only when he went to HW and got old....

[Arcane]

Can't say for sure, but we do know Enzo Mac is a known abuser and he was in the same stable as Joe Calzaghe (a guy who loves to snort coke) so I personally wouldn't put it past Calzaghe to have been juicing during his famous wins over the Mkretchyen and Pudwill but that's not to say it's a UK based problem.

[Pimp C]

Originally Posted by ELECTRIC GURU

Relax Pimp C, Wach is an absolute fucking disgrace to the sport of boxing. Please try and enter this discussion topic with an open mind and not a defensive anger, we are here to discuss boxing in an open and neutral manner. Please continue in this thread if you can leave your bitter ranting behind.

Fair enough...

[Big Left]

Originally Posted by markq

We Americans hold our athletes to a higher standard. We'll stand behind them but if they're ever found to be a cheat, they get discarded like trash like Lance, Barry Bonds ...

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what? you mean like RJJ or Holyfield who are always mentioned as top 50 ATGs..

As for Armstrong, give it a year and he will be back on top. Not in sports (he is too old) but he will have books, foundations and maybe even his own TV show.

[PIPO23]

Originally Posted by Big Left

what? you mean like RJJ or Holyfield who are always mentioned as top 50 ATGs..

As for Armstrong, give it a year and he will be back on top. Not in sports (he is too old) but he will have books, foundations and maybe even his own TV show.

If that happens then it's a disgrace. But I wont be surprised. Americans are hypocrites as long as it's their own, it OK. But a foreigner there will be a huge out cry to hang the dude.

[Pimp C]

Originally Posted by Big Left

what? you mean like RJJ or Holyfield who are always mentioned as top 50 ATGs..

As for Armstrong, give it a year and he will be back on top. Not in sports (he is too old) but he will have books, foundations and maybe even his own TV show.

Armstrong is a disgrace, I always suspected him of cheating. I doubt he will get anything back he's being threatened from law suits all over the place and might even end up in jail when it's all said in done. The guy is done and hated here.

[Barry Smith]

Vitali Klitschko is a proven steroid cheat and he is still a hero to many people on here, so it's not just an American problem.

[jeffjoiner]

Originally Posted by ELECTRIC GURU

Thats a good question, it would be interesting to see how rigid the PED testing is in europe in comparison.

I think the steroid use in the Soviet block is way different to todays PED use and much easier detected.

Just seems to me that there are many American based boxers from the past who you could look at and think something was going on (eg Jones and Holyfield) and plus there is evidence to support your governing bodies have been happy to cover cheating up.

Out of interest, which european fighters (past or present) would you suspect of being drug cheats (bar the Klitchsko's)?

One thing I've learned is that you never know. I'm a huge baseball fan and there have been skinny, bulky, and even fat (see Bartolo Colon) players busted. Most of the busts weren't even the top tier guys.

If my favorite childhood baseball player can be outed (Wally Joyner) then so can my favorite fighters.

[Big Left]

Originally Posted by Pimp C

Armstrong is a disgrace, I always suspected him of cheating. I doubt he will get anything back he's being threatened from law suits all over the place and might even end up in jail when it's all said in done. The guy is done and hated here.

Nothing to do with PEDS but in American they love to knock you down to see you come back up again.

In the UK they love to build you up just so they can knock you back down.

Armstrong will be back as a crediable person in America.

If all else fails he will play the Jesus card.