Marcel Cerdan

[PowerPuncher]

His unfortunate loss and subsequent death, but as mentioned maybe he was near the end anyway? He still deserved a Lamotta rematch

People forget he was first a WW champ and he nearly fought Henry Armstrong at WW. I think he probably beats the smaller man and comes to fame a little earlier

As a boxer he's a very good inside puncher, but coming inside he's a bit crude more walking in quite slowly without a jab. He slipped allot of Zales punches but against someone quicker and sharper I think his defence would be a bit stiff and it was against Lamotta

[Theron]

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[Bollox]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

No way mate! The top 3 rarely mentioned fighters are Ho Joo, Ray Minus and Hitler The Killer obviously.

Ray Minus beat Paul Ferreri who in 1979 had lost to Carlos Zarate. Hey presto....Ray Minus discussion

[IntentionalButt]

I kind of see him as underrated, actually. He often gets relegated to a footnote in Jake's career (and he was more competitive in that loss than many purport)

[Flea Man]

Originally Posted by Bollox

Ray Minus beat Paul Ferreri who in 1979 had lost to Carlos Zarate. Hey presto....Ray Minus discussion

Ferreri beat Borkorsor too, and Minus lost to Orlando Canizales and Israel Contreras.

[Addie]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

It's CeRdan.

Only fought the 'best' when they were long in the tooth. I actually expected a more conventional boxer puncher type so when I was first saw him barge through Zale I was surprised.

I see him ranked in top 100 P4P lists and top 10 middleweight lists too much for my liking. So I'd say he was overrated, even if he may well have gone on to prove himself more if he hadn't died.

I know it's Cerdan. I was rushing to post because I had to leave.

I liked what I saw against Zale. Looked very classy throwing those double, triple left hooks upstairs.

[Flea Man]

No worries you made the same mistake in the OP as well so was trying to help you out.

I was impressed too until I realised what a corpse Zale was at that point. For aesthetics Cerdan's devastation of Dick Turpin is a good watch.

[john garfield]

Used to watch Cerdan spar Italo Scortachini (who was a pretty damn good middlewight) at Jake LaMotta's gym in the Bronx.

Cerdan was charismatic when took off his headgear. Everybody in the gym gravitated to him, like they did Graziano at Stillman's.

[IntentionalButt]

Originally Posted by john garfield

Used to watch Cerdan spar Italo Scortachini (who was a pretty damn good middlewight) at Jake LaMotta's gym in the Bronx.

Cerdan was charismatic when took off his headgear. Everybody in the gym gravitated to him, like they did Graziano at Stillman's.

Interesting, John. So Marcel & Jake had each other pretty well scouted from training in close proximity then? Did they ever spar before they fought?

[john garfield]

Originally Posted by IntentionalButt

Interesting, John. So Marcel & Jake had each other pretty well scouted from training in close proximity then? Did they ever spar before they fought?

Good observation, IB, but I never saw them spar, only floor exercises 'n shadow boxing.

From having been around Jake for many years, he wouldn't have altered what he was gonna do, even if it was a truck.

[Addie]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

No worries you made the same mistake in the OP as well so was trying to help you out.

I was impressed too until I realised what a corpse Zale was at that point. For aesthetics Cerdan's devastation of Dick Turpin is a good watch.

Appreciate it, San.

[IntentionalButt]

Originally Posted by john garfield

Good observation, IB, but I never saw them spar, only floor exercises 'n shadow boxing.

From having been around Jake for many years, he wouldn't have altered what he was gonna do, even if it was a truck.

But Cerdan, maybe he was able to gather some intel on the Bull from getting a close look?

Maybe without the injury he could've exploited a thing or two?

[john garfield]

Originally Posted by IntentionalButt

But Cerdan, maybe he was able to gather some intel on the Bull from getting a close look?

Maybe without the injury he could've exploited a thing or two?

Never thought of it, but absolutely true, IB.

[Addie]

Injury?

[Surf-Bat]

Originally Posted by Addie

Injury?

His hurt shoulder