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Old 01-29-2013, 02:58 PM   #31
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First World problem







(yeah America and Europe).
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Old 01-29-2013, 02:59 PM   #32
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Nothing to do with PEDS but in American they love to knock you down to see you come back up again.

In the UK they love to build you up just so they can knock you back down.

Armstrong will be back as a crediable person in America.

If all else fails he will play the Jesus card.
Armstrong is not credible here. He's a complex figure because his charity has helped greatly, though.

He is the perfect anti-hero for our "ends justify the means" mentality, but we don't believe anything he says.
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Old 01-29-2013, 03:08 PM   #33
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Old 01-29-2013, 03:15 PM   #34
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Steriod is rife in American sports, boxing in particualr. Almost every American superstar boxer of the past 20 years has been on PEDs. Mosley, Holyfield, Tarver, RJJ, Toney.... the list is endless.

In the UK, the sense of fairplay is still very strong. It is not like American - win at all costs or be forgotton about. When Dwain Chambers was caught doping the UK althetic commitee banned him for life and it was only the threat of being sued and the ruling of the World athletic body that allowed him to compete again.

Th fact that Americans even rate fighters like RJJ, Mosley, Holyfield, Toney, Tarver etc just sums it all up. In the UK these guys would be outcasts and not given the time of day by anyone.
Ask anyone in America and hardly anyone knows any of the boxers you mentioned besides RJJ and Holyfield. They only know Holyfield for his ear being bitten by Mike Tyson and occasionally you might get some people who know who Mosley is. Besides Tom Brady and the Patriots cheating with their superbowl wins, cheaters are shunned here in America. Barry bonds is a disgrace and is hated everywhere, Mark Mcguire has been practically crucified and unheard of since he's been exposed, Lance Armstrong is hated more than anyone I know of, and Carl Lewis or any of those other Olympic athletes that the OP said haven't even been caught, not sure where he's getting his information. But understand that America is filled with so many winners, that after a while a new superstar comes along and nobody cares anymore.
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Old 01-29-2013, 03:16 PM   #35
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British fighters Ali Adams and Enzo Mac were recently cought ped'ing.
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Old 01-29-2013, 03:28 PM   #36
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Good question. May have to due with more to gain in America so people who fight or come to fight here are tempted to cheat more.
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Old 01-29-2013, 03:34 PM   #37
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****ing hilarious how you leave all the other countries fighter's off just to further your pathetic agenda. Wach of Poland just tested positive for roids but you left him out because it didn't suit your agenda.
Wach has been living and training out of the US for a couple years now.

With that being said i am convinced MOST top athletes are on PED's these days. Mosley,Bonds,McGuire Armstrong..etc never actaully failed a test. It started through the rumour mill and turned out to be true in the above cases. Just because they are not being caught does not mean they arent on it. The people who create PED's are always one or two steps ahead of the people who test for them.
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Old 01-29-2013, 03:37 PM   #38
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****ing hilarious how you leave all the other countries fighter's off just to further your pathetic agenda. Wach of Poland just tested positive for roids but you left him out because it didn't suit your agenda.
Yeah, I see somebody else is reading this bullshit right. Dude always hatin on americans.
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Old 01-29-2013, 03:47 PM   #39
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British fighters Ali Adams and Enzo Mac were recently cought ped'ing.
And Larry Olubamiwo. Also heard plenty of rumors about Hatton and fighters from Enzo Calzaghe's stable too (including Joe Calzaghe himself), but of course everyone is innocent until proven otherwise
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Old 01-29-2013, 04:29 PM   #40
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PEDs are an international problem. Sports culture in certain countries, mainly ex soviet bloc, had them ingrained into the system (some still do as evidenced by olympic scandals etc). Legalities are different from country to country as well, which also makes obtaining them easier in some countries outside of North America. It seems bigger in the US because, quite frankly, the biggest and most lucrative sports leagues on the planet are based there, and reaching the top level of sport, to secure a career, income, the ability to take care of people monetarily, and just plain ego causes a lot of athletes to go that route.....but it is not a strictly an american problem.
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Old 01-29-2013, 04:33 PM   #41
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It seems like we can't go a week without another American based disgrace being outed for being a PED cheat, i'm not just talking about American fighters but foreign fighters as well who fight in America and are either based their, trained their, or have trainers and medical teams from the US.

The shambolic list seems to go on, first started by the Roy Jones revelation when drug testing in professional american boxing first began, to the likes of Toney, Mosley, Vargas, Holyfield, Peterson, Tarver, Berto, Morales, Gamboa etc, along with the strongly suspicious cases of the likes of Pacquiao, Hopkins, Tyson and Marquez etc.

My own personal opinion is that American based boxing thoughout the 1990s and 2000s was absolutely drenched in PED use with American boxers thoughout these decades taking huge advantage of the lapse testing involved with boxing in a similar way to the American track and field team were having positive test's covered up, its pretty obvious that the few who have been caught is just the tip of the iceberg.






My question to you is

- Do you believe that this PED use has mainly been an American based problem in boxing? If not, why not?


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Old 01-29-2013, 04:33 PM   #42
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Any more info on the rumours relating to Joe, Smith? Thats fascinating.
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Old 01-29-2013, 04:36 PM   #43
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One thing I've learned is that you never know. I'm a huge baseball fan and there have been skinny, bulky, and even fat (see Bartolo Colon) players busted. Most of the busts weren't even the top tier guys.

If my favorite childhood baseball player can be outed (Wally Joyner) then so can my favorite fighters.
Yep. Really, if you look at the suspensions, most failing the policy are minor leaugers trying to get to the elite level, older guys trying to stay there, or run of the mill guys in MLB try to keep a job. Did anyone suspect Palmero? Eye test means little in most cases.
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Old 01-29-2013, 06:02 PM   #44
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Its happening all over IMO.
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Old 01-29-2013, 06:29 PM   #45
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I think it occurs around the world and in all sports.
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