Why were many old time boxers so scrawny looking

[Johnstown]

Oh i also do the rope drill, (stepping and weaving) as well as slip bag on a regular basis

[MagnaNasakki]

Originally Posted by Johnstown

I think it is good to have a core set of things you do more or less all the time...for me it would be shadow boxing, jump rope (I think jump rope is really underrated..it keeps you on your toes..literally). heavybag, double end bag, Mitt work, sparring, push ups, sit ups, and six inches. I do other things, but they very..sometimes medicine ball throws, sometimes static strength training, sometimes weight, which is usually lower reps but on occasion high reps. I do run, but the kind of running i do varies, and I sometimes skip running to give my joints a break and do things like stepper machines and elliptical (which i dont like nearly as much as running, workout wise). And sometimes really mixing it up is a damn good thing (going on a all day hike, swimming all day, doing a strong man type circut, things like that). Also I try to watch out for overtraining in case my training is over lapping...like when I am doing boxing training 3 days a week, and mma training (which is usually more grappling related) I tend to back off any weight lifting..just because that wrestling gives you allot of heavy resistance type training and i dont want to over train.

Add pull-ups to that and you have my core workout. It's important to keep boxing at the forefront of your boxing. You are training to feel better in a fight, with punches flying; If you aren't punching and/or getting punched at, nothing will be good enough. Beyond that, lungs and heart and legs are what you need to last in a fight. Everything else if useful window dressing.

Skipping road work for swimming and stuff is starting to become fashionable, and it can work. Juan Diaz, a recent fighter with an unbelievable gas tank(Possibly the best work horse fighter of the past 10 years), did swimming and some stairs and rope, and that was pretty much it, and he had the best gas tank in the sport.

[dyna]

Originally Posted by MagnaNasakki

Add pull-ups to that and you have my core workout. It's important to keep boxing at the forefront of your boxing. You are training to feel better in a fight, with punches flying; If you aren't punching and/or getting punched at, nothing will be good enough. Beyond that, lungs and heart and legs are what you need to last in a fight. Everything else if useful window dressing.

Skipping road work for swimming and stuff is starting to become fashionable, and it can work. Juan Diaz, a recent fighter with an unbelievable gas tank(Possibly the best work horse fighter of the past 10 years), did swimming and some stairs and rope, and that was pretty much it, and he had the best gas tank in the sport.

They're essentially the same.
Also Wladimir does swimming now and he doesn't seem to gas anymore. (A 245 pound man can't run without hurting his knees anyway)

A treadmill is probably better for your knees too.(Because of shork absorbment)
Though running on a treadmill is easier than normal running (less air friction) so you either have to run at a higher pace or longer.
Treadmills with even more shock absorbment are even better for your knees.

[MagnaNasakki]

Originally Posted by dyna

They're essentially the same.
Also Wladimir does swimming now and he doesn't seem to gas anymore. (A 245 pound man can't run without hurting his knees anyway)

A treadmill is probably better for your knees too.(Because of shork absorbment)
Though running on a treadmill is easier than normal running (less air friction) so you either have to run at a higher pace or longer.
Treadmills with even more shock absorbment are even better for your knees.

Ain't that the truth. I've had to pretty much stop these last few years. Can't handle it, but my body is pretty beat up all around.

[Johnstown]

Originally Posted by dyna

They're essentially the same.
Also Wladimir does swimming now and he doesn't seem to gas anymore. (A 245 pound man can't run without hurting his knees anyway)

A treadmill is probably better for your knees too.(Because of shork absorbment)
Though running on a treadmill is easier than normal running (less air friction) so you either have to run at a higher pace or longer.
Treadmills with even more shock absorbment are even better for your knees.

running on a treadmill just bores me to death though...

[joew123]

Originally Posted by Johnstown

running on a treadmill just bores me to death though...

it used to bore me but after doing it for 2 weeks or so you get used to it. Its time i use to reflect on life and think about stuff.

I'm far from an expert on boxing but i think they where scrawnier back then because they focused on endurance. They used to go for 15 rounds, you need to be in tip top shape, so time would obviously of been better spent on endurance. I agree with the old school approach of training, its more of what i'm in to (i don't box but my routine for working out is modeled after). Plus a lot of them did hard labor back then, it gets you strong as hell ( i do it) but it burns a lot of calories and back then they didn't have cinnabuns with 600 calories in them, they ate an apple instead.

[highguard]

Originally Posted by MadcapMaxie

Agreed.

When I first started boxing all I did before hand was lift weights I had alot of strength and a big punch but it didn't mean shit when after 1 round of lively sparring I was knackered. Nowadays I've barely touched a weight in over 2 years yet can still lift more weights than I could before simply by body weight exercises, but my stamina and speed has notably increased. Then again like you said, variety is the best thing you can do for your body to keep it guessing, I've noticed recently that adding Rowing to my regime on top of all the calisthenics, swimming, running and boxing has helped alot.

actually, a friend of mine
is a boxer, also does bjj a bit
and he does mainly bodyweight stuff
but he can decent weights in the gym

so yeah not everyone is the same

[highguard]

Originally Posted by Johnstown

true...i am now the assistant coach at my boxing gym....the head coach guy is older than me who has allot more techniques and tricks to teach on boxing...but i cringe when he tells the guys what to do for weight lifting....

my coach is excatly like this

will tell you
you wanta be muscular, run, dont lift weights

you have no fast twich muscles
because you lift weights

saw a video on running related injuries
and had a blank look
and just said you have to run


a doctor who sometimes told him, that weights are good for reparing injuries
and he said, no their not lol

but then it comes to actual boxing
this old man is a wizard

[highguard]

Originally Posted by dyna

They're essentially the same.
Also Wladimir does swimming now and he doesn't seem to gas anymore. (A 245 pound man can't run without hurting his knees anyway)

A treadmill is probably better for your knees too.(Because of shork absorbment)
Though running on a treadmill is easier than normal running (less air friction) so you either have to run at a higher pace or longer.
Treadmills with even more shock absorbment are even better for your knees.

this is the problem i have with running
my coach cant see that running kills my legs
and my old knee injury and 240 body weight does not help

by the way my coach fought at 118 lol

[highguard]

Originally Posted by MagnaNasakki

Add pull-ups to that and you have my core workout. It's important to keep boxing at the forefront of your boxing. You are training to feel better in a fight, with punches flying; If you aren't punching and/or getting punched at, nothing will be good enough. Beyond that, lungs and heart and legs are what you need to last in a fight. Everything else if useful window dressing.

Skipping road work for swimming and stuff is starting to become fashionable, and it can work. Juan Diaz, a recent fighter with an unbelievable gas tank(Possibly the best work horse fighter of the past 10 years), did swimming and some stairs and rope, and that was pretty much it, and he had the best gas tank in the sport.

do you have any more info on juan diaz workout????

sounds very interesting to me as a heavyweight with a repaired knee

[highguard]

Originally Posted by joew123

it used to bore me but after doing it for 2 weeks or so you get used to it. Its time i use to reflect on life and think about stuff.

I'm far from an expert on boxing but i think they where scrawnier back then because they focused on endurance. They used to go for 15 rounds, you need to be in tip top shape, so time would obviously of been better spent on endurance. I agree with the old school approach of training, its more of what i'm in to (i don't box but my routine for working out is modeled after). Plus a lot of them did hard labor back then, it gets you strong as hell ( i do it) but it burns a lot of calories and back then they didn't have cinnabuns with 600 calories in them, they ate an apple instead.

i think the problem with training "old school"
is that its good until you get an injury

then your fucked, cause they have no answers for that
and will just re-injured



but the endurance thing i can see what you mean
but on the other hand some of them
look kinda flabby too, so thats hard to answer

[MagnaNasakki]

Originally Posted by highguard

do you have any more info on juan diaz workout????

sounds very interesting to me as a heavyweight with a repaired knee

Sunday-Rest Day

Monday-600 stomach crunches all different angles,hammer strength bench press,high-back rows and pull-ups with weights held between his feet all done as a super-set. Then tricep dips, dumbbell hang-cleans and reverse bicep-curls. Finish with 100 pushups. Then Juan spends a hour and half on the rotating stairmaster machine. Then he swims for a mile in a half which last about 45 minutes.

Tuesday-5 minute warmup, abdominal,neck and hip work. 3 rounds of shadow-boxing,12-15 rounds of bag,pad,jump rope and sparring. Day ends with 5 mile stairmaster session.

Wednesday-50 standard pushups,10 reps of each plyometric push-ups,wude-stance pushups and hip-elevated pushups. Minute and half rest then repeat that routine then rest and repeat agian. 3 sets up pullups until failure followed by 3 sets up hyperextension back exercises. Mile and half swimming in the pool.

Thursday-5 minute warmup,abdominal,neck,hip work. 3 rounds of shadowboxing,12-15 rounds of bag,pad,jump rope and sparring. 5 miles on the stairmaster.

Friday-3 sets of split-stance lunges while holding 40 pound dumbbells,Juan then does 3 sets of dumbbell deadlifts adding a calf raise into each rep. Sit and Squat where Juan stands next to a bench holding 40 pound dumbbells and do squats until hes in a seated postion before going back up. Finishes workout with 2 sets of seated leg pressed with 400 pounds.
1 1/2 hour swim.

Saturday-5 minute warmup,abdominal,neck,hip work.3 rounds of shadow boxing,12-15 rounds of bag,pad,jump rope and sparring. 5 miles of stairmaster machine.

This is written from a catalog by a past poster, but I have the magazine. And it is, quite possibly, one of the better boxing workouts ever devised. I've done something similar, and it worked great.

[highguard]

Originally Posted by MagnaNasakki

Sunday-Rest Day

Monday-600 stomach crunches all different angles,hammer strength bench press,high-back rows and pull-ups with weights held between his feet all done as a super-set. Then tricep dips, dumbbell hang-cleans and reverse bicep-curls. Finish with 100 pushups. Then Juan spends a hour and half on the rotating stairmaster machine. Then he swims for a mile in a half which last about 45 minutes.

Tuesday-5 minute warmup, abdominal,neck and hip work. 3 rounds of shadow-boxing,12-15 rounds of bag,pad,jump rope and sparring. Day ends with 5 mile stairmaster session.

Wednesday-50 standard pushups,10 reps of each plyometric push-ups,wude-stance pushups and hip-elevated pushups. Minute and half rest then repeat that routine then rest and repeat agian. 3 sets up pullups until failure followed by 3 sets up hyperextension back exercises. Mile and half swimming in the pool.

Thursday-5 minute warmup,abdominal,neck,hip work. 3 rounds of shadowboxing,12-15 rounds of bag,pad,jump rope and sparring. 5 miles on the stairmaster.

Friday-3 sets of split-stance lunges while holding 40 pound dumbbells,Juan then does 3 sets of dumbbell deadlifts adding a calf raise into each rep. Sit and Squat where Juan stands next to a bench holding 40 pound dumbbells and do squats until hes in a seated postion before going back up. Finishes workout with 2 sets of seated leg pressed with 400 pounds.
1 1/2 hour swim.

Saturday-5 minute warmup,abdominal,neck,hip work.3 rounds of shadow boxing,12-15 rounds of bag,pad,jump rope and sparring. 5 miles of stairmaster machine.

This is written from a catalog by a past poster, but I have the magazine. And it is, quite possibly, one of the better boxing workouts ever devised. I've done something similar, and it worked great.

thanks sounds like an amazing work out

[highguard]

glad to see

that all proof about running causes injuries
and weights preventing means
nothing to keyboard warriors


and nether does sport science for that matter

[Johnstown]

Originally Posted by highguard

glad to see

that all proof about running causes injuries
and weights preventing means
nothing to keyboard warriors


and nether does sport science for that matter

what is your issue? where are you getting that from?


Weights can prevent injuries, they can also cause injuries too (ever seen a nude with a ripped peck muscle? aint pretty)..running can cause injuries, it can also make your lungs and legs stronger stronger...they all have positive and negative points and its about being intelligence in how you apply each.