Nonito donaire, a top 50 atg?

[AlFrancis]

Originally Posted by Vic-JofreBRASIL

You have a link Al?

Well said about Harada btw.

It might be one you you've seen, it's got a full report on the Saldivar Jofre fight and it's all in Spanish.


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[Vic-JofreBRASIL]

Originally Posted by AlFrancis

It might be one you you've seen, it's got a full report on the Saldivar Jofre fight and it's all in Spanish.


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Thank you very much.

[Flea Man]

Originally Posted by Vic-JofreBRASIL

Yeah, Crawford.. I didn´t even talk about the FW fights he had.....
IMO Jose Legra is a H2H force at FW.......
In his FW days Eder faced a lot of criticism in the Brazilian Press btw, Flea. They always said that he was facing too many easy opponents at FW.
Fair enough.. but it was a tad unfair sometimes, the critic was severe when he faced Godfrey Stevens, the press said he was easing up things too much.....Stevens wasn´t bad though, you posted his fight with Saijo, he was okay...

Well said and yeah, Stevens didn't look too bad did he, he hung in there and fought well against a pretty dangerous guy (one of the more deceiving K.O%'s for sure) although admittedly I can't remember the details of the Jofre fight or where Stevens was at in his career at the time, look he wasn't brilliant but he was a regional titlist of sorts so he was at least a decent South American fighter fighter at least, of which there were many.

AlFrancis thanks again by the way And I've got an overwhelming feeling that we should start calling the 60s/early 70s 'The Mexican Murderers Row' because for the talent assembled it really was just that. Except they ended up running the show Olivares punched Rose out and every champion for the next decade was Mexican (I think....Olivares,Castillo,Olivares,Herrera,Lara...where does it go then? Anyway eventually it's Herrera,Martinez,Zarate ain't it?

There might be a non-Mexican no.1 in their somewhere. I get a bit lost when Herrera loses the title 'cause Lara seems a tad erratic (shame there's not more on him though) and Herrera gets 'beat' by Bus Station (certainly beat up) before Martinez finally turns the trick on him (shame that isn't out there, or Herrera's title defence over him ) but anyway, ends up with Zarate in the end

Man if Macias and Becerra came just a little bit later

[AlFrancis]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

Well said and yeah, Stevens didn't look too bad did he, he hung in there and fought well against a pretty dangerous guy (one of the more deceiving K.O%'s for sure) although admittedly I can't remember the details of the Jofre fight or where Stevens was at in his career at the time, look he wasn't brilliant but he was a regional titlist of sorts so he was at least a decent South American fighter fighter at least, of which there were many.

AlFrancis thanks again by the way And I've got an overwhelming feeling that we should start calling the 60s/early 70s 'The Mexican Murderers Row' because for the talent assembled it really was just that. Except they ended up running the show Olivares punched Rose out and every champion for the next decade was Mexican (I think....Olivares,Castillo,Olivares,Herrera,Lara...where does it go then? Anyway eventually it's Herrera,Martinez,Zarate ain't it?

There might be a non-Mexican no.1 in their somewhere. I get a bit lost when Herrera loses the title 'cause Lara seems a tad erratic (shame there's not more on him though) and Herrera gets 'beat' by Bus Station (certainly beat up) before Martinez finally turns the trick on him (shame that isn't out there, or Herrera's title defence over him ) but anyway, ends up with Zarate in the end

Man if Macias and Becerra came just a little bit later

When you think about it Flea there were probably literally hundreds of Mexican bantams campaigning at that time. You'd have to have something about you to fight your way out of that.

[Lester1583]

Macias

By the way, I know there's a short footage of Macias-Peacock 2 on youtube
but in case anyone wondered what happened in the Peacock rematch:

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[Vic-JofreBRASIL]

I think I have the Macias vs Peacock rematch footage....: not sure, I need to check.

[Flea Man]

I've seen the one where Macias gets cut down by Peacock and it shows how talented even the B-fighters of that era, left by the side of the road by most historically, were and shows it wasn't as thin on the ground talent wise as it may seem looking at some unrecognisable Algerians, Thai's and what not that contended for the title and the fractured titles.

It was bloody good.

And yes Al', a golden era for Mexican boxing IMO and part of the greater picture in the greatest era of bantamweight history.

If you split it down the middle; Jofre to Rose/Olivares to Martinez there isn't much between 'em. Two P4P greats in the first era but as much depth in the latter.

Taken as a whole it's one of the greatest spans for a division in boxing history. Ridiculous.

[lora]

I think the '40s was worse than the 50's at bantam, though i don't consider it a concrete opinion.Just not enough footage and i wouldn't consider them bad either.

[Flea Man]

War fucked it up. Also you had a fair few top flys dividing their time between divisions too and Jackie Paterson ranked highly for years in both whilst not really turning in his best in either.

Ortiz was obviously fantastic though but I agree that He could've done with a Macias rather than a Dade.

Yes, there's no fucking footage either. I've seen a few Patterson highlights, whatever there is of Ortiz and that's about it.

David Kui Young or whatever his name was, there's an Oriental I wanna' see, what ya' know about him?

[Vic-JofreBRASIL]

Originally Posted by Vic-JofreBRASIL

I think I have the Macias vs Peacock rematch footage....: not sure, I need to check.

Not really, it is the Fili Navas rematch....

[AlFrancis]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

War fucked it up. Also you had a fair few top flys dividing their time between divisions too and Jackie Paterson ranked highly for years in both whilst not really turning in his best in either.

Ortiz was obviously fantastic though but I agree that He could've done with a Macias rather than a Dade.

Yes, there's no fucking footage either. I've seen a few Patterson highlights, whatever there is of Ortiz and that's about it.

David Kui Young or whatever his name was, there's an Oriental I wanna' see, what ya' know about him?

He's just died, i think he was about 95. He was the oldest living world champ.

[Flea Man]

Oh. That's sad.