Fastest Boxers with Tremendous Balance

[Rajon Rondo]

Originally Posted by dyna

That's why Eddie Futch called him the finest ever, and Robinson called him p4p the best.

But we all know Wlad is pound for pound the greatest boxer ever beyond dispute hey Dyna!!!!

[dyna]

Originally Posted by Rajon Rondo

But we all know Wlad is pound for pound the greatest boxer ever beyond dispute hey Dyna!!!!

Tell me where I ever said that, if I don't even compare Lewis to Roberto Duran (for example) why would I rank Wlad over him?
Also on p4p lists I generally put all the hws a lot of spots behind "normal" lists, except for in their time small or medium hws, those include Patterson, Michael Spinks, Marciano.

Wlad is for me together with Lewis/Louis/Holmes/Ali/Foreman: the men who in their time belonged to the biggest of the heavyweights so I don't consider their achievements p4p equal to (for example) Holyfield doing the same.


Also you're a retard.

[Bokaj]

Originally Posted by Theron

, just watched him again freaking amazing fighter

Easily the most overrated fighter on this board. Textbook case of how praise from greats makes all sense of proportion go missing.

[DrMo]

Rigondeaux has exceptional balance, like a smug cat.

[SP_Mauler]

Joe Louis, Even when he missed he was always in position to strike again.
Benny Leonard, I think had the greatest balance even when he was rushed never looked out of place.

[TheSouthpaw]

Ali, Mancini, Leonard, Hearns, Robinson, Louis, Duran, Barrera, Pac, amongst others..

[Theron]

Originally Posted by Bokaj

Easily the most overrated fighter on this board. Textbook case of how praise from greats makes all sense of proportion go missing.

I like the way he fights you dont have to follow what greats say to realise that... You should be able to see by watching him fight...maybe you should try that

[dyna]

I thought of Naseem Hamed, but he is an example of `bad balance`.
Probably the reason why some might think he was weak chinned.

[Bokaj]

Originally Posted by Theron

I like the way he fights you dont have to follow what greats say to realise that... You should be able to see by watching him fight...maybe you should try that

I've seen the whole 10 minutes of footage there is of him. He looks quick, smart and awkwardly tricky but has several clear technical flaws - like Herol Graham more or less. Or a smaller and lesser version of Jones to some extent.

Going by that footage, I've seen many fighters that impressed me more. Much like looking at his record. Impressive in parts, but certainly nothing exceptional.

[Theron]

Originally Posted by Bokaj

I've seen the whole 10 minutes of footage there is of him. He looks quick, smart and awkwardly tricky but has several clear technical flaws - like Herol Graham more or less. Or a smaller and lesser version of Jones to some extent.

Going by that footage, I've seen many fighters that impressed me more. Much like looking at his record. Impressive in parts, but certainly nothing exceptional.

Yeah i mean completely dominating Achie Moore isnt much and the guys on his record were all bums ay...

What technical flaws can you see?

[Bokaj]

Originally Posted by Theron

Yeah i mean completely dominating Achie Moore isnt much and the guys on his record were all bums ay...

Hence, "impressive in parts". But he also lost to several of the top guys he met. Swapped wins and losses with them.

What technical flaws can you see?

Just from memory.

Stance/guard: Back too straight, chin too high, hands too low. Feet perhaps a bit too wide. Too much like a fencer.

Punching: Leaps off the flooor with several of his punches. Leaps in the jab more than stepping in with it.

These were the main things I can remember. Mind you, he was clearly very skilled and crafty in his own way - very much like Graham or Nunn. But I've often seen him named as one of the great textbook technicians, and that's laughable going by that footage.

[MagnaNasakki]

Originally Posted by KuRuPT

You think Tyson is a good call but pernell isn't? Reason being not a speedster.. Yet Tyson is?

Tyson? Hell yeah. Tremendous balance and lightning speed.

Pernell wasn't even all that quick. Snappy jab, but rather clubbing with his left, and his right hook, while sharp, wasn't all that fast either.

Sweet Pea's offense isn't all that scintillating. It's effective, it's accurate, but it lacked for power and velocity. It was he incredible defensive skillset and ring generalship that he rode to legendary status.

[Theron]

Originally Posted by Bokaj

Hence, "impressive in parts". But he also lost to several of the top guys he met. Swapped wins and losses with them.



Just from memory.

Stance/guard: Back too straight, chin too high, hands too low. Feet perhaps a bit too wide. Too much like a fencer.

Punching: Leaps off the flooor with several of his punches. Leaps in the jab more than stepping in with it.

These were the main things I can remember. Mind you, he was clearly very skilled and crafty in his own way - very much like Graham or Nunn. But I've often seen him named as one of the great textbook technicians, and that's laughable going by that footage.

These arent flaws by him he compensates for the low hands with his wide stance making it easy to get out of the way of punches, when he ''leaps in'' with the jab hes not off balance or anything so theres nothing bad about it, he dosent get tagged after throwing it so obviously its fine,
You dont have to be a textbook technician you can do things wrong but get away with it because of your own style if it compensates for it

[Bokaj]

Originally Posted by Theron

These arent flaws by him he compensates for the low hands with his wide stance making it easy to get out of the way of punches, when he ''leaps in'' with the jab hes not off balance or anything so theres nothing bad about it, he dosent get tagged after throwing it so obviously its fine,
You dont have to be a textbook technician you can do things wrong but get away with it because of your own style if it compensates for it

Usually you eventually don't get away with it. If there's something I've become more and more convinced about it's the merits of following the textbook.

You tried out any unorthodox stuff in the gym? It usually hurts.

Anyhow, you asked me what flaws I saw from a textbook perspective. That was my answer.

[MagnaNasakki]

Originally Posted by Bokaj

Usually you eventually don't get away with it. If there's something I've become more and more convinced about it's the merits of following the textbook.

Anyhow, you asked me what flaws I saw. That was my answer.

People are insulted when I point out how crude Dempsey was. They say the same thing, its not a flaw if you make it work.

Then Gene Tunney makes you look like an ass.