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Old 01-30-2013, 01:09 AM   #241
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actually I think I know why...guy i know took his shirt off to show me his chest and how it was all ****ed up due to having ripped his peck muscle years ago trying to max some crazy amount (he was also taking shit at the time) and I guess the shirtless aspect is why I typed n for nude instead of dude...
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Old 01-30-2013, 02:09 AM   #242
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what is your issue? where are you getting that from?


Weights can prevent injuries, they can also cause injuries too (ever seen a nude with a ripped peck muscle? aint pretty)..running can cause injuries, it can also make your lungs and legs stronger stronger...they all have positive and negative points and its about being intelligence in how you apply each.

my issue is everyone here hates on weights and cant prove anything really bad about them expect what some old coach tells

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but the same people tell you the wonders of running
like the ones you mentioned and i agree with you
but when you i mention the negatives of running,
they attack you with no proof of they are talking about

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then you post up videos-articles-personal stories that support
your argument,
and they ignore it totally

next thread, they do the same ****ing thing

thats my issue


just like what the ones i posted now
will be ignored
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Old 01-30-2013, 02:26 AM   #243
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interesting article, not sure if i agree with everything

discuss, boxing weights issue
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Old 01-30-2013, 05:54 AM   #244
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interesting article, not sure if i agree with everything

discuss, boxing weights issue
I agree with the whole high reps not the best idea thing...too many boxing coaches tell guys to do that.


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Old 01-30-2013, 06:17 AM   #245
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Default Re: Why were many old time boxers so scrawny looking

Aaron Pryor said he never used more than 5kg weights for shadow boxing.

Scrawny? Weak? Nope.
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Old 01-31-2013, 08:56 PM   #246
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well again

are you going to ignore the scientific estudies because of what pyror said???
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Old 01-31-2013, 08:57 PM   #247
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I agree with the whole high reps not the best idea thing...too many boxing coaches tell guys to do that.


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true but i guess to some people the word of an old coach
who cant tell you the different between fast twitch and slow twitch muscles
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Old 02-01-2013, 04:32 PM   #248
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I've been doing weights for years and I can honestly say that yes, I think it has helped my punching power, punch resistance and wrestling on the inside. The con is that it hurts my stamina and my punch precision. Why do I keep doing it? It doesn't hurt as bad getting hit by a punch.
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Old 02-01-2013, 05:05 PM   #249
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I've been doing weights for years and I can honestly say that yes, I think it has helped my punching power, punch resistance and wrestling on the inside. The con is that it hurts my stamina and my punch precision. Why do I keep doing it? It doesn't hurt as bad getting hit by a punch.
It is interesting that you think that weigths might increase your chin.

As a side issue, surely if it hurts your stamina, you are hit by a punch an awful lot more and because you are tired,and slower you are hit a lot cleaner and it therefore hurts a lot more?
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Old 02-01-2013, 05:44 PM   #250
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Science is subjective as shit. Don't put full stock in a field that exists on correlation, not causation.

Weights work for some, don't work for others.

Guys like Aaron Pryor don't need em. Guys like his nephew should probably try em.

That's as much a part of boxing as punching. It's not just you and the other guy, it's your preparation versus his.
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Old 02-02-2013, 12:21 AM   #251
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to be honest
i dont think its far to
compare heavweights to featherweights lol


that being said while haye is very muscular
that 17inch arm is not big at all,
which ofcourse means nothing for boxing but still
Wladimir 13inch fist??
so his fist is the length of my laptop screen??
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Old 02-02-2013, 05:48 AM   #252
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Wladimir 13inch fist??
so his fist is the length of my laptop screen??
It's the circumfrance of the fist with abit of the thumb included. For someone who is 6'6 it's actually quite small, there are Middleweights with 12" fists. Sonny Liston despite being 4 inches shorter had 15" fists.
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Old 02-02-2013, 05:55 AM   #253
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It's the circumfrance of the fist with abit of the thumb included. For someone who is 6'6 it's actually quite small, there are Middleweights with 12" fists. Sonny Liston despite being 4 inches shorter had 15" fists.
Liston had extremely big hands for anyone.

Do you even need (strong) biceps and triceps with straight punches as you can get power from the legs?
Only in clinches some arm strenght might be nice.
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Old 02-02-2013, 06:08 AM   #254
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Liston had extremely big hands for anyone.

Do you even need (strong) biceps and triceps with straight punches as you can get power from the legs?
Only in clinches some arm strenght might be nice.
IMO, power comes from your physiological make-up and has more to do with motor neurons and your muscle composition than strong biceps, triceps, legs or whatever. I believe that's the reason why some people can hit a home runs with ease, run 100 meters under 12 seconds, punch hard, take a punch yada yada.

I also think clinches are more technical than just pure strength, I've never seen anybody get the best of Ali in the clinches, not because Ali has herculean strength although he would be very strong, but because he knew how to maneovure a man, use his height and weight to his advantage etc.
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Old 02-02-2013, 07:00 AM   #255
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Punching power coming from the legs is a misconception oft repeated. If meant correctly in that strong legs give a solid base from which to throw shots then that's fine, but the actual, mechanical motion of them does little to add impact (occasional other worldly uppercuts excluded). Power is generated from the torso and arms.

Doesn't really come from the legs, but is facilitated by them (obviously - can't punch hard with no legs), by way of weight distribution. This confused me as a youngster and promoted some spastic technique. Jack Blackburn had it right when he emphasised balance over everything else.
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