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Old 01-24-2013, 12:37 PM   #301
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you asked the question before and i have to answer the same way: nope, very few if any do. i tried to think of some but MAYBE tyson, louis, liston compare. foreman and ali don't. frazier yes, depending on when you considering him the champ

this may be more reflective of how quickly some fighters get title shots than anything...really, who the hell did foreman beat??
foreman beat noone at all, he was a gold medallist with a high ko percentage meant to be an easy fight.

I rate his pre title run and he has some decent wins overall but he is not a top ten atg.
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Old 02-02-2013, 10:01 PM   #302
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The news reports I have read on him from 1917 and 1918 are very unkind to him, even the Miami News clip above refers to him trying to make a comeback.
For every "unkind" report of him during that time, there are also much more favorable reports. Virtually every account of his fight with Moran praised his performance in a fast-paced fight. The Miami News clip explicitly says that he appears to be "much better than formerly."

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His heyday was the white hope era. By the time Dempsey got to him his record shows he was on the downside.
His record shows that he scored the biggest wins of his career in the year or so prior to fighting Dempsey - Moran, Fulton, Levinsky, Smith. Two of the fighters you criticize him for losing to (McMahon and Coffey) had also beaten him during his supposed "heyday" in the White Hope era.

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A good bit of matchmaking for Dempsey, tho. He liked 'em big and slow.
I've shown you reports that explicitly describe him as "the fastest of all big fellows."
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