Jack Dempsey advice on training

[dealt_with]

Yeah what Virus said, just the general mentality of people. In past generations it was all about how hard you could work, these days it's about what you can get away with. There are pluses and minuses to both sides.

[Theron]

I dont get why Dealt with has to try to convince us to change something if you dont agree with this just leave the thread alone i mean c'mon, whats the point of you doing this why are you so desperate to change peoples minds about training programs

[StillWill]

I agree with him that sparring is the best exercise for a boxer. There is no substitute, that at least hasn't changed

[Jdsm]

Originally Posted by Theron

I dont get why Dealt with has to try to convince us to change something if you dont agree with this just leave the thread alone i mean c'mon, whats the point of you doing this why are you so desperate to change peoples minds about training programs

Why would somebody avoid posting scientifically valid information to help further people's knowledge?

[Matt Ldn]

Originally Posted by dealt_with

I'm just saying I don't understand why anybody would look to an old timer for training advice, many of his ideas are obviously out of date. Just because you were good at something doesn't mean you know the best way to go about things either. Dempsey was a cruiser by todays standards so you shouldn't compare him to heavyweights, compare him to a cruiser David Haye or Holyfield.

Its infuriating the way people look at athletes as some kind of irrefutable source of knowledge. You are a credit to this forum.

Originally Posted by StillWill

I agree with him that sparring is the best exercise for a boxer. There is no substitute, that at least hasn't changed

Its also a great way to be a walking vegetable by the time you are 40

Originally Posted by Jdsm

Why would somebody avoid posting scientifically valid information to help further people's knowledge?

Must have some kind of agenda, he really should just stop posting and trying to educate. I used to have a bunch of cunts like him at school.

[Johnstown]

Its infuriating the way people look at athletes as some kind of irrefutable source of knowledge. You are a credit to this forum.
Yeah, you shouldnt may any attention to guys who actually won world championships..but some dude who says he does S&C for a rugby team, by all means follow what he says as Gospel.

Its also a great way to be a walking vegetable by the time you are 40
Definitely can't be all you do...you don't want to take the James Toney approach..however if you actually want to fight..it is the most important thing. If he are great in the weight room, great on the track..great on the road..great at jump rope, great on the speed bag, slip bag, double end bag, heavybag, great in mitts...but suck in sparring..chances are pretty good you will suck in a fight (minus a few other considerations). However, if you suck in the weight room, suck on the track, suck on mitts...bluh bluh bluh, but are a monster sparring..chances are you will kick ass in a fight.

Must have some kind of agenda, he really should just stop posting and trying to educate. I used to have a bunch of cunts like him at school.

[Matt Ldn]

I'll listen to boxers and trainers on matters regarding boxing as an art and discipline. But as said in another thread on boxers many reach elite levels despite their training/nutrition rather than because of it. Paul Williams was a high level boxer should I follow his technique of spending 90% of my time on conditioning? I listen to people who have scientific knowledge rather than anecdotal. We know more than we used to so why should I ignore that because some black and white boxer had ideas based on experience with no scientific grounding? You wouldn't do that in anything else so why should I when it comes to boxing?

I was being a bit flippant I think sparring is the best thing you can do if you are doing it properly. I see too many people who just try and recreate a fight all the time and although that has a place doing it everyday is not going to be an efficient use of time.

Whats the puzzled face for?

[StillWill]

Originally Posted by Matt Ldn

Its also a great way to be a walking vegetable by the time you are 40

Any pro boxer will tell you sparrring is the most part of training camp. Learn some defense and you will be fine when your 80

of course, its good to compliment it with the rest of a boxers typical regimen

[Matt Ldn]

Like I said to johnstown I wasn't being that serious I think structured intelligent sparring is the best thing you can do as a boxer. I also think a lot of the damage done in sparring can be reduced if people used sparring more intelligently and didn't just try have a fight.

[Johnstown]

Originally Posted by Matt Ldn

Like I said to johnstown I wasn't being that serious I think structured intelligent sparring is the best thing you can do as a boxer. I also think a lot of the damage done in sparring can be reduced if people used sparring more intelligently and didn't just try have a fight.

I spar now and take almost no damage..i have learned enough about defense..and i will pull myself out when getting gassed. Having said that..i took some hellish beatings my first year or so of boxing. I had no real skills...going up against guys much bigger (150 to 200 sometimes) or guys who were golden glove level open class fighters or even pros. My trainer would have you go to war..and I was "tough" or stupid enough to stay in and go hard. If i start to get dementia at 60 i will blame that shit..but...i think if you have a smart trainer you are likely to be fine.

[pecho26]

Originally Posted by StillWill

I agree with him that sparring is the best exercise for a boxer. There is no substitute, that at least hasn't changed

Ofc it is but you cannot go all out on every sparring cause youre gonna be a vegetable.
Controled and light sparring is great,working on technique,angles.
I do hard sparing once a week.It suits me great.
Btw its nice to see how old boxers trained but i wouldnt pay much attention to it.

[dealt_with]

Originally Posted by Johnstown

I spar now and take almost no damage..i have learned enough about defense..and i will pull myself out when getting gassed. Having said that..i took some hellish beatings my first year or so of boxing. I had no real skills...going up against guys much bigger (150 to 200 sometimes) or guys who were golden glove level open class fighters or even pros. My trainer would have you go to war..and I was "tough" or stupid enough to stay in and go hard. If i start to get dementia at 60 i will blame that shit..but...i think if you have a smart trainer you are likely to be fine.

You spar now and take almost no damage because you spar against 100 pound 13 year olds

[Johnstown]

Originally Posted by dealt_with

You spar now and take almost no damage because you spar against 100 pound 13 year olds

I also spar against a 170 pound 19 year old boxer and 220 pound pro mma fighter as of now as well...

and the 13 year old kid is actually 120....and he would school your ass even if you tried to go 100%

[dealt_with]

Originally Posted by Johnstown

I also spar against a 170 pound 19 year old boxer and 220 pound pro mma fighter as of now as well...

and the 13 year old kid is actually 120....and he would school your ass even if you tried to go 100%

Is that because he schools your ass when you go 100% (see Johnstown thread boasting about hurting a little kid because he was afraid of what people who he doesn't know thought when he was getting bashed)? You don't know who I am. What you're doing is called projecting, you should know about that Mr. community college psych man

[Johnstown]

Originally Posted by dealt_with

Is that because he schools your ass when you go 100% (see Johnstown thread boasting about hurting a little kid because he was afraid of what people who he doesn't know thought when he was getting bashed)? You don't know who I am. What you're doing is called projecting, you should know about that Mr. community college psych man

not what i posted actually