Who believes in the Muhammed Ali 'anchor punch'?

BoxingFanPhil · 02-06-2013, 05:00 PM

I love a certain amount of Ali, but I don't believe in the 'anchor punch' (personally).

The first Liston fight is one of the most incredible things you'll ever see, but the second fight? A first round knock out? With that punch? Against Sonny Liston? And the phoney roll over...

Don't get me wrong, I don't think that Ali was in on it - not one bit - I think Ali was pissed off because the second Liston fight was going to be even more emphatic, but Liston was paid, or decided to take a dive.

Liston was surrounded by the type of men who could get a pay day out of that situation.

Does anyone have anything to offer me that might change my mind?

Surf-Bat · 02-06-2013, 05:05 PM

He dropped Alex Miteff with an anchor punch. Watch the 38 second mark

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I think Liston was dropped, but not that badly hurt. He just gave up ala Duran.

lufcrazy · 02-06-2013, 05:31 PM

I've watched it many many times and it looks a solid punch to me

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turbotime · 02-06-2013, 05:34 PM

It looks hard. Liston had maybe the hardest jab ever at that point too so just imagine the combined force of the counter right.

john garfield · 02-06-2013, 05:50 PM

The "anchor" punch is rubbish. Ali caught Liston flush on the button by a short right he didn't see. End of story

Enough with the conspiracy theories.

apollack · 02-06-2013, 05:54 PM

Ali had a beautiful counter right hand that he used in several fights, and many times timed and threw over the top of his opponent's lead jab. He caught the foe as they were moving in with their forward momentum from the jab and ran them into the right, which landed on their chins. He did it with Liston, as well as Cleveland Williams and Zora Folley, and others. The front angle doesn't really show the force, but it does show Liston's head buckle if you watch the slow mo version. There is another more rare side angle that really does show the blazing speed and force of that right as it lands. Marciano in watching it said that Ali did put his shoulder and body behind it just at the last moment when it landed, and from that angle, I agree.

Bill1234 · 02-06-2013, 06:05 PM

It was a real punch but I do not buy that Liston actually was unable to rise before 10 or that it'd have even dropped him and caused him to roll over like he did. I think Liston was paid (or told) to take a dive and did so with the first good shot he got tagged with, but as Walcott correctly did not count as he tried getting Ali to the neutral corner, and as more time passed and Liston was pretty much forced to get up, Walcott was called over and told that Liston had been counted out and that the fight was over. By that point Ali and Liston had squared up again and Ali was throwing punches at Liston when the fight was stopped.

PowerPuncher · 02-06-2013, 06:11 PM

I've said this time and again:

1. It was a legit flash KD
2. Liston waited for Ali to goto the neutral corner, which he didn't
3. Walcott didn't make Ali goto a neutral corner
4. Liston within his rights got up when Ali went to the corner and fought on
5. Walcott wrongly stopped the fight when Liston got up

It was all Walcott's fault

LittleRed · 02-06-2013, 06:27 PM

You calling Stepin Fetchit a liar?

RockyJim · 02-06-2013, 07:51 PM

Who believe's it?...Ali does...and Stepin Fetchit...

MagnaNasakki · 02-06-2013, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PowerPuncher

I've said this time and again:

1. It was a legit flash KD
2. Liston waited for Ali to goto the neutral corner, which he didn't
3. Walcott didn't make Ali goto a neutral corner
4. Liston within his rights got up when Ali went to the corner and fought on
5. Walcott wrongly stopped the fight when Liston got up

It was all Walcott's fault

This. You don't STAND UP when taking a dive. You don't keep fighting and punching when taking a dive.

Liston got flashed, Walcott epically screwed the fight up, KO1 Ali.

ripcity · 02-06-2013, 08:21 PM

If it was a fix why did Liston get up and start fighting again? Wouldn't he have had stayed on his back intel he was counted out.

Slickstar · 02-06-2013, 08:30 PM

Isn't this pretty much the same thing as Floyd Mayweather's pullcounter? What so hard to believe about it

tezel8764 · 02-06-2013, 09:06 PM

Theron · 02-06-2013, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PowerPuncher

I've said this time and again:

1. It was a legit flash KD
2. Liston waited for Ali to goto the neutral corner, which he didn't
3. Walcott didn't make Ali goto a neutral corner
4. Liston within his rights got up when Ali went to the corner and fought on
5. Walcott wrongly stopped the fight when Liston got up

It was all Walcott's fault

02-06-2013, 05:00 PM	#1
BoxingFanPhil Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 260 vCash: 500	Who believes in the Muhammed Ali 'anchor punch'? I love a certain amount of Ali, but I don't believe in the 'anchor punch' (personally). The first Liston fight is one of the most incredible things you'll ever see, but the second fight? A first round knock out? With that punch? Against Sonny Liston? And the phoney roll over... Don't get me wrong, I don't think that Ali was in on it - not one bit - I think Ali was pissed off because the second Liston fight was going to be even more emphatic, but Liston was paid, or decided to take a dive. Liston was surrounded by the type of men who could get a pay day out of that situation. Does anyone have anything to offer me that might change my mind?
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02-06-2013, 05:05 PM	#2
Surf-Bat Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,517 vCash: 500	Re: Who believes in the Muhammed Ali 'anchor punch'? He dropped Alex Miteff with an anchor punch. Watch the 38 second mark [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] I think Liston was dropped, but not that badly hurt. He just gave up ala Duran.
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lufcrazy requiescat in pace East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: England, Up North Posts: 22,711 vCash: 330	Re: Who believes in the Muhammed Ali 'anchor punch'? I've watched it many many times and it looks a solid punch to me [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
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turbotime Future Hall Of Famer East Side VIP Join Date: May 2012 Location: LA/Canada Posts: 18,710 vCash: 816	Re: Who believes in the Muhammed Ali 'anchor punch'? It looks hard. Liston had maybe the hardest jab ever at that point too so just imagine the combined force of the counter right.
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john garfield P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 17,560 vCash: 1000	Re: Who believes in the Muhammed Ali 'anchor punch'? The "anchor" punch is rubbish. Ali caught Liston flush on the button by a short right he didn't see. End of story Enough with the conspiracy theories.
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apollack Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,402 vCash: 1000	Re: Who believes in the Muhammed Ali 'anchor punch'? Ali had a beautiful counter right hand that he used in several fights, and many times timed and threw over the top of his opponent's lead jab. He caught the foe as they were moving in with their forward momentum from the jab and ran them into the right, which landed on their chins. He did it with Liston, as well as Cleveland Williams and Zora Folley, and others. The front angle doesn't really show the force, but it does show Liston's head buckle if you watch the slow mo version. There is another more rare side angle that really does show the blazing speed and force of that right as it lands. Marciano in watching it said that Ali did put his shoulder and body behind it just at the last moment when it landed, and from that angle, I agree.
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02-06-2013, 06:05 PM	#7
Bill1234 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 4,628 vCash: 1000	Re: Who believes in the Muhammed Ali 'anchor punch'? It was a real punch but I do not buy that Liston actually was unable to rise before 10 or that it'd have even dropped him and caused him to roll over like he did. I think Liston was paid (or told) to take a dive and did so with the first good shot he got tagged with, but as Walcott correctly did not count as he tried getting Ali to the neutral corner, and as more time passed and Liston was pretty much forced to get up, Walcott was called over and told that Liston had been counted out and that the fight was over. By that point Ali and Liston had squared up again and Ali was throwing punches at Liston when the fight was stopped.
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02-06-2013, 06:11 PM	#8
PowerPuncher ESB Junkie East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 30,735 vCash: 1000	Re: Who believes in the Muhammed Ali 'anchor punch'? I've said this time and again: 1. It was a legit flash KD 2. Liston waited for Ali to goto the neutral corner, which he didn't 3. Walcott didn't make Ali goto a neutral corner 4. Liston within his rights got up when Ali went to the corner and fought on 5. Walcott wrongly stopped the fight when Liston got up It was all Walcott's fault
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LittleRed Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Yoknapatawpha Posts: 2,612 vCash: 475	Re: Who believes in the Muhammed Ali 'anchor punch'? You calling Stepin Fetchit a liar?
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RockyJim Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,268 vCash: 1000	Re: Who believes in the Muhammed Ali 'anchor punch'? Who believe's it?...Ali does...and Stepin Fetchit...
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ripcity Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: "Somebody may beat me, but they are going to have to bleed to do it." Posts: 12,046 vCash: 856	Re: Who believes in the Muhammed Ali 'anchor punch'? If it was a fix why did Liston get up and start fighting again? Wouldn't he have had stayed on his back intel he was counted out.
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Slickstar Crisp This ESB Addict Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 3,496 vCash: 75	Re: Who believes in the Muhammed Ali 'anchor punch'? Isn't this pretty much the same thing as Floyd Mayweather's pullcounter? What so hard to believe about it
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