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Old 02-07-2013, 03:58 PM   #76
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My first thought was 'I think Kelly puts an ass whooping on him'.

But then i haven't really seen that much of Golovkin.

If Jermain Taylor can outbox Pavlik and get him in trouble i don't see why GGG couldn't find a way.

If i had to bet, it would be Kelly UD but it wouldn't surprise me if GGG won either by KO or UD
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Old 02-07-2013, 04:30 PM   #77
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Pavs had a 3 fight prime then?
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Old 02-07-2013, 04:54 PM   #78
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Haven't seen a fraction of whats needed out of Golovkin to favor him. No one has.

Prime Pavlik
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Old 02-07-2013, 05:14 PM   #79
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Pavlik would KO GGG, GGG was being tagged by Proksa and Rosado if Pavlik lands his right early GGG would be in big trouble...
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Old 02-07-2013, 06:13 PM   #80
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No poll just analysis and argument. Pavlik from the Miranda fight v. Gennady. I really like GGG in and out of the ring. Not a whole lot not to like. Both dudes can crack and both aren't hard to find.

Seen a lot of gennady and junior comments so I figured I'd take this out for a stroll. Would have been a great fight IMO. I don't see many guys standing in front of Kelly at MW and taking his right but GGG is a beast.

Thought? I'll take Pavlik at around 10
only if pav was a junior middleweight with back to back losses we might could have seen this in theory
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Old 02-07-2013, 08:08 PM   #81
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My first thought was 'I think Kelly puts an ass whooping on him'.

But then i haven't really seen that much of Golovkin.

If Jermain Taylor can outbox Pavlik and get him in trouble i don't see why GGG couldn't find a way.

If i had to bet, it would be Kelly UD but it wouldn't surprise me if GGG won either by KO or UD
"If Jermain Taylor"

taylor is a former olympic bronze medalist that drew and beat a prime hopkins over 24 rounds.

jt in his prime was a proven world class champion.

at this juncture, comparing an absolutely unproven(although he has a stellar amatuer record) golovkin is very close to the idiots here that try to compare canelo to vargas.
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Old 02-07-2013, 08:16 PM   #82
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"If Jermain Taylor"

taylor is a former olympic bronze medalist that drew and beat a prime hopkins over 24 rounds.

jt in his prime was a proven world class champion.

at this juncture, comparing an absolutely unproven(although he has a stellar amatuer record) golovkin is very close to the idiots here that try to compare canelo to vargas.
Olympic silver medalist with an 88% knock out ratio.

His talent and strength is self evident.
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Old 02-07-2013, 08:16 PM   #83
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"If Jermain Taylor"

taylor is a former olympic bronze medalist that drew and beat a prime hopkins over 24 rounds.

jt in his prime was a proven world class champion.

at this juncture, comparing an absolutely unproven(although he has a stellar amatuer record) golovkin is very close to the idiots here that try to compare canelo to vargas.
I agree GGG is just as unproven as Canelo, maybe worse. The difference is, all legit SWW contenders are lining up to face Canelo, his people prefer to look down in weight. GGG cannot get any top 10 MW to challenge for his belt on HBO.
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Old 02-07-2013, 08:21 PM   #84
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I agree GGG is just as unproven as Canelo, maybe worse. The difference is, all legit SWW contenders are lining up to face Canelo, his people prefer to look down in weight. GGG cannot get any top 10 MW to challenge for his belt on HBO.
Is that discrepancy a product of risk and talent or a product of reward?
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Old 02-07-2013, 08:23 PM   #85
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Is that discrepancy a product of risk and talent or a product of reward?
For most of these guys a title shot on HBO should be reward enough. What are they expecting? I'm not talking Martinez, Chavez, but the rest of the contenders.
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Old 02-07-2013, 08:42 PM   #86
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I agree GGG is just as unproven as Canelo, maybe worse. The difference is, all legit SWW contenders are lining up to face Canelo, his people prefer to look down in weight. GGG cannot get any top 10 MW to challenge for his belt on HBO.
he did not look particularly great against rosado.

a probably drunk kp beat the wholly shit out of rubio who is light years ahead of rosado both in skillset and proveness at mw.

this after pavlik beat down against hopkins.

the only difference between canelo and ggg right now other than ggg being proven in the amatuers is the blatant avoidance of glovokin by some fighters(sturm) and like you said, the willingness of every contender at 154 calling out canelo.

fighters generally dont go around calling out other fighters unless they truly think there are flaws that they can exploit, which is one of the reasosn i think canelo is exploited sometime in the very near future.
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Old 02-07-2013, 11:00 PM   #87
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Pavlik is now officially a fighter from the past, so he automatically wins...
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Old 02-07-2013, 11:15 PM   #88
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Pavlik is now officially a fighter from the past, so he automatically wins...
yeah lol, all of a sudden he is indestructible, apparently he had some sort of prime when he could not be defeated by anybody and would clean out the division easily. Now Pavlik is right there with Tyson and other indestructible fighters of the past. All he had to do is retire to become great.
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For most of these guys a title shot on HBO should be reward enough. What are they expecting? I'm not talking Martinez, Chavez, but the rest of the contenders.
Well let's be clear that Golovkin isn't exactly being given the largest purses in the world by HBO. His headlining bill did far and away the lowest rating of last year on the network. Aside from Martinez and Chavez, I'd say Geale has/had more lucrative options and Sturm (one of the few fighters I'd say has legitimately ducked Golovkin) nevertheless probably did as well. N'Jikam has a guaranteed shot at Quillin on the horizon, Quillin had a guaranteed fight for another belt at home and on longer notice than the date Proksa took, and Pirog was obviously willing but injured.
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GGG Golovkin
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