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Old 02-08-2013, 12:57 PM   #181
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The problem does not lie with K2, but with other boxers & their management. K2 was very respectful in their negotiations with us at TEAM KINGPIN when we fought Vitali. But other fighters and their management hear the possibility of fighting a Klitschko, & they try to **** K2 over; (want more money, dictate the negotiations, etc).

I spoke with Tyson Fury on the phone before the KINGPIN-Fury fight, and he said if he ever fought a Klitschko it would be on his terms...!!! Why??? He's a nobody, they are the Champions; they have the right to make offers they feel justifiable to make.

Most heavyweight boxers now-a-days are ****ing around, fighting nobodies, just hoping that the Klitschkos retire instead of fighting them. Its not the Klitschko brothers' fault, its the other boxers in the HW Division...and I'm not even a Klitschko fan per se, but K2 always seems to get the bad press/ bad image when fighters don't want to fight the Klitschko brothers. Its K2 lowballing boxers, when in fact K2 is offering substantially decent money for a great opportunity to fight for a (HW Title).
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:02 PM   #182
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I disagree. This fight will not be forgiven. Povetkin is a tomato can also.

so really what you are saying is that not matter who wlad fights, they are a "tomato can" and "wlad should be stripped"

so Mr. Derrick.... who should Wlad fight then? and dont start with Vitali
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:07 PM   #183
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I've been trying to tell 'em Chef. Wlad can't help the era he fights in; he's trying to stay busy and face the best available/willing opponents in between legit top contenders like Haye, Povetkin, etc.
I know bro, I know

I just love how guys think its just "no problem getting a fight"... just offer them the world to get it..... its not that simple.

then you get a guy like fury who states... "i will fight them on my terms" .....Really?..Why?,,, its a VOLUNTARY fight and the brothers are the CHAMPIONS...

beat them Tyson, and you can call the shots after that when you fight VOLUNTARIES.... until then, STFU and take the chance given to you... and that goes for all the dogs barking
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:11 PM   #184
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I agree with you on this he should be fighting Povetkin right now instead. I dont know if it was the TV network dispute, wanting to have it in the summer for a outdoor stadium or both but neither is acceptable especially considering the last 3 weak opponents. I dont see how rival networks can dictate a fight not happening especially when its Champion vs Challenger and a purse bid should resolve any of those disputes, no?

If he purposely delayed for some summer stadium business motive than his priorites aren't right and advisors like Boente need to take a ****ing back seat if thats what is steering the decision. Quality opponents should be his biggest priority, not warmer weather and a few more seats.
Its purse bid. Povetkins team wants purse bid... then the winner has 90 days to but the fight on. The fight could end up in june/july anyways.... why not PUT IT in june july and let the guys stay busy and fight in early 2013

Povetkin can have a fight as well. Why should wlad sit on his ass from november to june waiting for Povetkin
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:17 PM   #185
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No way did Louis fight 4 guys in a row with the highest ranking being 10. Not a chance.

Johnson may well have done though, I too would have to check.

Louis had one streak where he fought Godoy, McCoy, Burman, and Dorazio. I don't know where they were rated at the time and I wouldn't be shocked if Godoy or even Dorazio were top 10 at the time since the division was horrible at the time but I'd probably take Wlad's current, and poor, 4 fight title streak over Louis's.

As for Johnson, I haven't looked but I know his entire title run was bad and guys like Wach and Pianetta would look good compared to some of the guys he was defending against.
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:22 PM   #186
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Be straight Chef. Wlad wanted another voluntary before even negotiating with Povektin.
Purse bids would of been finalized back in Jan if it were not for this useless defence.
Boenty has qouted he didn't want the fight last summer either.
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:29 PM   #187
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is this definitely Wlads opponent next?????????

or is Wlad still negotiating for his next opponent?????????????/
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:45 PM   #188
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Be straight Chef. Wlad wanted another voluntary before even negotiating with Povektin.
Purse bids would of been finalized back in Jan if it were not for this useless defence.
Boenty has qouted he didn't want the fight last summer either.
WRONG. Contract was to be finalized by end of FEB. Team Povetkin said "we want purse bid" from day 1... thats end of feb/march... then the winner has 90 days to put on the fight... that could be May/june

thats when wlad said ...."lets make the fight in the summer and I want a fight now"... why should wlad sit on his ass from Nov to may/June because Povetkin wants a purse bid?

plus the fact that Team povetkin has pulled out twice before... if the fight was not put together in 90 days, then the 2nd highest purse gets another 90 days. now you are talking Aug/Sept

Team klitschko wants the fight this summer and it gives time for all the crap to be worked out... in that time..BOTH fighters can fight.... I dont understand what the big ****ing issue is
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I got a feeling the fight with povetkin wont materialize by summer, Wlad will probably win in April, then there will be delays for povetkin fight, Wlad will probably become injured or say he needs time to recover, ive just got a bad feeling, from listening to Wlad lately it seems as though he doesn't want to fight Povetkin, and Povetkin team want to do all they can to make the fight happen.

Last time it was suppose to go to purse bids, then through delays the fight didnt happen, last time Povetkin didn't want the fight, now its Wlad.
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:54 PM   #190
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I definitely will not be watching if he fights this guy.
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:55 PM   #191
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Last time it was suppose to go to purse bids, then through delays the fight didnt happen, last time Povetkin didn't want the fight, now its Wlad.
Well then Wlad gets stripped and that's the end of the story. I don't think it will get to that, Wlad worked hard to get that WBA strap and now won't just toss it in the bin for nothing.
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:57 PM   #192
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Learn your boxing history. This has been done several times throughout the history of the sport. There are lulls during transitional periods. After the shitty transitional period, things heat up for a while, then it all goes to shit again and the cycle repeats.

The past couple years has been shitty, but by the end of 2013 Vitali will be retired. From 2014-2016 we'll see Wlad fight for the WBC (which will probably be handed to Chris Arreola) and face fresh new contenders like Pulev, Price, Fury, Wilder and Jennings. Maybe Seth Mitchell improves and climbs the ladder? There's another one. Maybe Malik Scott finally lives up to his potential? There's another one. Chisora comes back strong? Another one. The division is heating up and actually getting (can't believe I'm saying this) interesting!

Bottom line is that we ALL agree Pianeta is a shit opponent, we ALL agree that Wlad's last few opponents have been weak, but he's doing the best he can with the current crop of ready, WILLING and available contenders. Things WILL get better over the next couple years.
You don't have to be blindfully faithful to your hero mate. I consider Wlad one of the greatest in history, doesn't mean I can't see this run for what it is - the shittest run in hw championship history.

Which champ (proper champ not paper champ) can rival it?
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:59 PM   #193
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Louis had one streak where he fought Godoy, McCoy, Burman, and Dorazio. I don't know where they were rated at the time and I wouldn't be shocked if Godoy or even Dorazio were top 10 at the time since the division was horrible at the time but I'd probably take Wlad's current, and poor, 4 fight title streak over Louis's.

As for Johnson, I haven't looked but I know his entire title run was bad and guys like Wach and Pianetta would look good compared to some of the guys he was defending against.
Exactly that's the point, you dont know where they were rated. Do some research before making that claim.

Keep a man within the context of his era wlad has 4 times fought a man outside his best available opposition.

It's ridiculous.
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Old 02-08-2013, 02:15 PM   #194
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Which champ (proper champ not paper champ) can rival it?
Patterson, Louis, Holmes.

Not defending Wlad's recent run of opponents, it's crap. I just disagree with popular hyperboles such as "worst string of defeses ever" or "weakest era ever" etc.
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Old 02-08-2013, 02:22 PM   #195
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Exactly that's the point, you dont know where they were rated. Do some research before making that claim.

Keep a man within the context of his era wlad has 4 times fought a man outside his best available opposition.

It's ridiculous.

Not being able to say where they were rated off the top of my head doesn't mean I haven't done my research. Thats a juvenile way of thinking.

Not all top 10 fighters are created equal and the guys Louis fought in that one 4 fight stretch were probably worse than Wlad's regardless of where they were rated.

Wlad could never get away with fighting guys like Burman and McCoy and I'd take someone like Wach or Thompson over them all day regardless of where they were/are rated.
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