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Old 02-09-2013, 02:36 AM   #16
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I guess that's why I'm poor and he's rich. I can't stand the guy tbh, the worst thing about him is his association with that hack journo Weidler.
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Old 02-09-2013, 02:42 AM   #17
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Anmother article saying Botha's team 'reluctantly' agreed to 10 round fight.
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Botha and SBW 'agreed' to 10 rounds

09 February 2013, 07:37


Sonny Bill Williams and Francois Botha agreed to a ten-round fight before they met in Brisbane on Friday.
Williams has said on his Twitter account both boxers knew the heavyweight bout would be over ten rounds; not twelve.
And Bothaís promoter, Tinus Strydom, told local media he had reluctantly agreed to the change shortly before the fight, which Williams won on points.
The 27-year-old rugby international was in trouble at the end of the tenth round of his sixth professional fight as the 44-year-old Botha came within seconds of knocking out the New Zealander.
Controversy erupted after the result was announced because just about everyone believed the fight had to be over 12 rounds because it was for the WBA international title.
Botha still described the result as "match-fixing" and spectators and bookmakers were enraged.
An Australian boxing official told local pay TV channel Fox Sports on Saturday both camps had agreed to shorten the bout.
The fight's status as a title bout was plunged into doubt, however, with confirmation that no WBA official was present.
"Whether the fight was formally sanctioned by the WBA, you'd have to ask the WBA or the promoter. We don't get involved in the sanctioning," John Hogg, a committee member of the Australian National Boxing Federation, told Fox Sports.
Hogg's comments contrasted with the confusion expressed by the Federationís vice-president, Alan Moore, who was one of the judges. He told The Australian newspaper he had "no idea" the bout would be shortened.
"When the ring announcer said that it was the last round, that was the first we (the judges) knew of any change," Moore was quoted as saying.
The controversy has come at a sensitive time for sport in Australia, where police are investigating at least one potential case of match-fixing, and an explosive report warning that local competitions were at a high risk of manipulation by organised crime.
BOOKMAKERS CHECKED The abbreviated fight was slammed by bookmaker TAB New Zealand, who refunded "pick the round" bets on the fight.
"We went to great pains to double check and triple check that it was 12 rounds because (in) a Sonny Bill fight this has happened before," TAB New Zealand bookmaker Mark Stafford, whose agency refunded 'pick-the-round' bets, told New Zealand radio on Saturday.
"So we're pretty annoyed about it."
Stafford said his agency had taken bets on three of Williams's six professional fights, with two of them shortened without anybody knowing. He added that they were doubtful about opening another book with the rugby player.

Bookmaker Sportingbet Australia said it would refund all bets laid on Botha.
Disgruntled fans took to social media pages to slam the bout as a sham, and demanded broadcasters refund the pay-per-view fees for the fight.
"If you work an 8-hour day tomorrow, work just six. If the boss asks you why, say itís the SBW clause," one Twitter user said in a post.
Strydom said he would lodge a protest with the WBA. But Williams's manager, Khoder Nasser, said the South African camp's complaints were sour grapes.

"They're going to look for any excuse because they lost," Australian state broadcaster ABC quoted him as saying on its website.
"If there's a misunderstanding, there's a misunderstanding and I'm sure we'll deal with that with the WBA."
Williams, set to re-start his rugby league career in Australia after several years of playing rugby union, including a World Cup win with the All Blacks in 2011, had a clause in his New Zealand Rugby Union contract allowing him a set number of fights to pursue his boxing career.
But his six professional victories, coming against a string of ageing or unfit journeymen, have been slammed
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Old 02-09-2013, 02:43 AM   #18
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Key word here being PRE-FIGHT.

It was confirmed by judges that it was not changed PRE-FIGHT it was changed MID-FIGHT.

This is a historic moment in ESB in which pretty much everyone agrees on the same thing, of course other than a pea brain in you buster , but no suprize since you also think Green threw the fight against Tarver
i said i wanted to hear from the people involved, not take your word as gospel.

probably crooked, but we'll see when they investigate. hope they get the real story.

were u there? ringside?

i'm just not going to get emotional about a shit fight that was never more than a circus.

some people here r getting upset about this, LOL.

and i find it funny to see how many here actually handed over their CA$H for this.
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Old 02-09-2013, 02:45 AM   #19
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Sportingbet refunding all bets put on Botha. Good on them.
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Old 02-09-2013, 02:46 AM   #20
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@ Buster . ... doesnt follow boxing lol
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i said i wanted to hear from the people involved, not take your word as gospel.

probably crooked, but we'll see when they investigate. hope they get the real story.

were u there? ringside?

i'm just not going to get emotional about a shit fight that was never more than a circus.

some people here r getting upset about this, LOL.

and i find it funny to see how many here actually handed over their CA$H for this.
Nobody here would have paid for this. It's just a blight on Aussie boxing thats why people are pissed off.
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@ Buster . ... doesnt follow boxing lol
u r emotional cause it has just sunk in that u paid to watch it.
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Old 02-09-2013, 02:50 AM   #23
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Nobody here would have paid for this. It's just a blight on Aussie boxing thats why people are pissed off.
rubbish.

they will not admit it though. no chance.
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u r emotional cause it has just sunk in that u paid to watch it.
buddie if you read the R by R you would have noticed i didnt tune in until after round 3, i did not pay to watch the fight if i had i would not be sitting on a computer doing a R by R, id be on the couch watching it
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Botha's manager probably just wants to be paid.
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or he was in on it.
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Old 02-09-2013, 03:52 AM   #27
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Botha's manager probably just wants to be paid.
Yeah, I can understand that. Start a long winded inquiry and Nasser won't hand those Sth Africans a cent. What needs to be clarified is two things -

1/ Was the 10th round cut short by any length ( I heard ten seconds)

2/ If the 12 rounds went to ten DURING the fight, or otherwise, when?
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Old 02-09-2013, 04:11 AM   #28
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Botha's manager probably just wants to be paid.
Reckon your right, can't blame them can you though. We are going to get a reputation worse than Germany at this rate and it is not the Aussie way we are all the same we want to see a good fight.
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