Give Werdum the title shot and put Gonzaga in TUF

[Manila]

Werdum is easily the best next fight for Velasquez now, and he'd have beaten down on Nog anyway. Gonzaga is a far more realistic/even fight for Nog at this point, and it could be another exciting jiu-jitsu contest. Gonzaga isn't great, but he is 3-0 in his last three, beat Ben Rothwell by sub in his previous UFC fight, and has high level BJJ skills. I think this is a much better idea than having Werdum beat the shit out of Nog while Cain sits on the shelf doing nothing. Is Gonzaga really that much worse than Nog's previous opponents Dave Herman and Brendan Schaub? Not really. And if Ross Pearson and George Sotiropoulos can be TUF coaches, so can Gonzaga, who has actually won a UFC title eliminator fight and then fought for the UFC heavyweight title.

[rekcutnevets]

Originally Posted by Manila

Werdum is easily the best next fight for Velasquez now, and he'd have beaten down on Nog anyway. Gonzaga is a far more realistic/even fight for Nog at this point, and it could be another exciting jiu-jitsu contest. Gonzaga isn't great, but he is 3-0 in his last three, beat Ben Rothwell by sub in his previous UFC fight, and has high level BJJ skills. I think this is a much better idea than having Werdum beat the shit out of Nog while Cain sits on the shelf doing nothing. Is Gonzaga really that much worse than Nog's previous opponents Dave Herman and Brendan Schaub? Not really. And if Ross Pearson and George Sotiropoulos can be TUF coaches, so can Gonzaga, who has actually won a UFC title eliminator fight and then fought for the UFC heavyweight title.

49 posts? What have you done now, Pop?

Gonzaga is better than Herman and Schaub, but I don't know how much a group of fighters would excited about the chance to be on Gonzaga's team. I guess they would still have to be happy about the exposure that comes with being on the show.

I think Werdum has been hosed a little over the past few years. He and Cormier should have already faced each other in StrikeForce, with the winner getting the next shot at the champion. Werdum is not an easy fight for Velasquez at all. Werdum has only been stopped once in over 20 fights, and most of his bouts are against fairly good fighters.

[kokoko]

Not sure if Big Nog and Bigfoot are friends, but I would let Bigfoot couch TUF. And then have Werdum fight Cain.

[thewinfella]

I think they'll be seriously looking at Velasquez Dos Santos 3 in the wake of Overeem being knocked out.

I cant see them pulling Werdum for Gonzaga, there's too much thats been done, contracts, TV networks, etc etc, just cant see it.

I will add though, for some reason the UFC seem to keeping Werdum out of harms way, weve had this influx of HW's and some good prospects in the division and yet theyve matched him in an overwhelmingly easy fight, again! no dis-respect there fella's (before I get the PRIDE brigade all over my arse), but it is.

Frank Mir would provide Werdum with a very stern test!

[Manila]

Originally Posted by thewinfella

Frank Mir would provide Werdum with a very stern test!

Nah, he wouldn't. Werdum's Muay Thai is much better than Mir's stand-up now, Werdum has a better chin, and a superior ground game. It would be an easy fight for Werdum.

[Manila]

Originally Posted by kokoko

Not sure if Big Nog and Bigfoot are friends, but I would let Bigfoot couch TUF. And then have Werdum fight Cain.

Bigfoot trains at Nogueira's gym half the time, that's why I went for Gonzaga instead, can't see Nog and Bigfoot wanting to fight each other.

[rusty nails]

Originally Posted by thewinfella

I think they'll be seriously looking at Velasquez Dos Santos 3 in the wake of Overeem being knocked out.

I cant see them pulling Werdum for Gonzaga, there's too much thats been done, contracts, TV networks, etc etc, just cant see it.

I will add though, for some reason the UFC seem to keeping Werdum out of harms way, weve had this influx of HW's and some good prospects in the division and yet theyve matched him in an overwhelmingly easy fight, again! no dis-respect there fella's (before I get the PRIDE brigade all over my arse), but it is.

Frank Mir would provide Werdum with a very stern test!

thats what makes the most sense to me. its a blockbuster. why risk it by throwing your champion up against a live contender.
theres potentially a number of fights they could squeeze out of the cain-junior rivalry. i also agree werdum-mir is a fight that should be made. theres alot of questions to be answered for mir and werdum still needs to prove emphatically that hes a championship level fighter imo. he still doesnt have that exclamation point next to his name i feel

[SouthpawSlayer]

thread starter gets his ideas from sherdog, what a cunt

[Manila]

Originally Posted by SouthpawSlayer

thread starter gets his ideas from sherdog, what a cunt

Thread starter is also on Sherdog, what a fucking retard!

[thewinfella]

Originally Posted by Manila

Nah, he wouldn't. Werdum's Muay Thai is much better than Mir's stand-up now, Werdum has a better chin, and a superior ground game. It would be an easy fight for Werdum.

Mir is a better stand up fighter than Werdum, thats my opinion, Werdum is the best grappler at HW world wide (pure JJ), thats also my opinion

Werdum cant wrestle, Mir cant wrestle, IMHO it makes for a very good fight!

If Mir beat him I wouldnt a bit suprised

[rekcutnevets]

Originally Posted by thewinfella

Mir is a better stand up fighter than Werdum, thats my opinion, Werdum is the best grappler at HW world wide (pure JJ), thats also my opinion

Werdum cant wrestle, Mir cant wrestle, IMHO it makes for a very good fight!

If Mir beat him I wouldnt a bit suprised

I disagree. Mir is a more powerful puncher, but he is not a better striker. Werdum has upped his stand-up game over the last few years. He mixes his kicks and punches a lot better than Mir does, and has a much better chin.

I would be surprised to see Mir defeat Werdum. I think Werdum beats Frank anywhere the fight takes place.

[thewinfella]

Originally Posted by rekcutnevets

I disagree. Mir is a more powerful puncher, but he is not a better striker. Werdum has upped his stand-up game over the last few years. He mixes his kicks and punches a lot better than Mir does, and has a much better chin.

I would be surprised to see Mir defeat Werdum. I think Werdum beats Frank anywhere the fight takes place.

Mir is certainly chinny, I dont remember saying he wasnt, I have to politely disagree Rek, Werdums stand up is sloppy, yes its improved but he's still making non-striker mistakes, chin in air, retreating in straight lines, flicking his punches, I dont class him as a striker, yes he has stand up, but he's not a striker.

IMHO Mir can and should be seen as somewhat of a striker these days, at what pletherer you or I or anybody place him at within that categorization is up for debate, but I do believe Mir has better stand up than Werdum.

[Flea Man]

All about Werdum Vs Cain. Have wanted Fabricio to get his shot for a while he's the man.