Harry Wills Articles

Boilermaker · 02-09-2013, 06:29 PM

Here is one chapter of a harry wills series of articles (i hope i can find the others). This one has him discussing a Jim Johnson fight as well as others. His take on his series with Langford is especially interesting noting that he won nearly every round except those where he was knocked out cold. He also confirms easing up on Langford a little in their later fights. I find it also interesting that he mentions (albeit briefly only) that there were only a really small number of top classed coloured figthers as opposed to white fighters. I think this is often forgotten today when people think of the coloured line.

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Chapter 10

Vic-JofreBRASIL · 02-09-2013, 06:30 PM

Nice. Thank you.

janitor · 02-09-2013, 06:50 PM

The Harry Wills movement on this site, reminds me of the King Richard III society.

They start with a genuine point of redress, but then take it to a ridiculous extreme!

Boilermaker · 02-09-2013, 07:07 PM

These are going to be out of order. Here is chapter 2 in the series.

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I never knew that Harry was a former Racehorse Jockey!

Here is Chapter 4 of teh series.

It includes Harry Wills professional debut, as a lightweight, in 1907 4 years before the commonly reported 1911 debut! against Congo kid.

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Boilermaker · 02-09-2013, 07:18 PM

Here is chapter 8.

Janitor, if you dont like the pro harry wills movement, this one is going to upset you. This does sound like Sam was given a heavy beating in this one. And i wonder how much is in the long count story.

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And here is Chapter 3 which deals mostly with Wills continued involvement in horses.
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Boilermaker · 02-09-2013, 07:30 PM

Chapter 7

This one has wills talking of his early langford fight as well as the easy time he had in his short 4 round move up north.
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Chapter 5 is a good one. it Covers Johnson's sparring session with Wills. And it seems Wills didnt like McVey or johnson very much at all.
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Boilermaker · 02-09-2013, 07:51 PM

here is chapter 1 of the series. It is obviously a little biased, because Harry is still trying to get a shot at Dempsey, which does explain a few things, but still, nonetheless he is very scathing of Dempsey. Although it is interesting that he sees Dempsey's decline as playing into his own hands, when in reality Harry Declined equally as quick.

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Boilermaker · 02-09-2013, 08:07 PM

missing 9 and 6

Chapter 9
This one is the start of the Jim Johnson story above in chapter 8. It is interesting that Jim Johnson was quite a bit stronger than Wills also, seems to be quite a bit bigger which i didnt realise, before. I dare say that the comments about Johnson beating Jack Johnson might cause a bit of a war between Mendoza and McVey, if either reads it.

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I think that this is the missing chapter 6. It tells of the start of the first Langford fight.

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Boilermaker · 02-09-2013, 08:44 PM

This one is really good. Wills suggests that his KO of Fulton was his second KO of Fulton. It does paint a very easy time of Fulton. I am not sure what chapter number it is.

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Boilermaker · 02-09-2013, 08:50 PM

Chapter 12

This one discusses his KO of Bill Tate and also a No Contest with McVey who was getting on in age by this time.

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Boilermaker · 02-09-2013, 08:57 PM

Chapter 13 of the story is here. It is interesting that one of the fixes in the Wills Johnson fight was to give Wills smaller than usual gloves! This resulted in Wills apparently hurting both hands.

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Lord Tywin · 02-09-2013, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by janitor

The Harry Wills movement on this site, reminds me of the King Richard III society.

They start with a genuine point of redress, but then take it to a ridiculous extreme!

What extreme has it been taken to?

janitor · 02-10-2013, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord Tywin

What extreme has it been taken to?

It seems that every few days we have some sort of Dempsey bashing thread on this forum, and by the same token Harry Wills has been built up into more than he was seen as at the time by many.

Jack Dempsey denied Harry Wills his shot at the title, but in doing so he made him a martyr in the eyes of those looking back.

McGrain · 02-10-2013, 06:30 AM

The enhancement of Wills standing is based upon the fighters he beat, who are better by a slim margin than the fighters that Dempsey beat IMO. It is not based upon some emotional response. It's still incredibly rare to see him ranked above Dempsey and incredibly rare to see him in top 10 hw lists. IN other words, in my opinion, he is still underrated.

janitor · 02-10-2013, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by McGrain

The enhancement of Wills standing is based upon the fighters he beat, who are better by a slim margin than the fighters that Dempsey beat IMO. It is not based upon some emotional response. It's still incredibly rare to see him ranked above Dempsey and incredibly rare to see him in top 10 hw lists. IN other words, in my opinion, he is still underrated.

You are surely not seriously trying to say, that there is not a huge emotional component to the debate?

02-09-2013, 06:29 PM	#1
Boilermaker Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 3,770 vCash: 685	Harry Wills Articles Here is one chapter of a harry wills series of articles (i hope i can find the others). This one has him discussing a Jim Johnson fight as well as others. His take on his series with Langford is especially interesting noting that he won nearly every round except those where he was knocked out cold. He also confirms easing up on Langford a little in their later fights. I find it also interesting that he mentions (albeit briefly only) that there were only a really small number of top classed coloured figthers as opposed to white fighters. I think this is often forgotten today when people think of the coloured line. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Chapter 10 Last edited by Boilermaker; 02-09-2013 at 07:52 PM.
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Vic-JofreBRASIL Vic East Side VIP Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Santos Posts: 13,842 vCash: 1166	Re: Harry Wills Articles Nice. Thank you.
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janitor P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 19,024 vCash: 1000	Re: Harry Wills Articles The Harry Wills movement on this site, reminds me of the King Richard III society. They start with a genuine point of redress, but then take it to a ridiculous extreme!
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02-09-2013, 07:07 PM	#4
Boilermaker Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 3,770 vCash: 685	Re: Harry Wills Articles These are going to be out of order. Here is chapter 2 in the series. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] I never knew that Harry was a former Racehorse Jockey! Here is Chapter 4 of teh series. It includes Harry Wills professional debut, as a lightweight, in 1907 4 years before the commonly reported 1911 debut! against Congo kid. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
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02-09-2013, 07:18 PM	#5
Boilermaker Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 3,770 vCash: 685	Re: Harry Wills Articles Here is chapter 8. Janitor, if you dont like the pro harry wills movement, this one is going to upset you. This does sound like Sam was given a heavy beating in this one. And i wonder how much is in the long count story. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] And here is Chapter 3 which deals mostly with Wills continued involvement in horses. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
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02-09-2013, 07:30 PM	#6
Boilermaker Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 3,770 vCash: 685	Re: Harry Wills Articles Chapter 7 This one has wills talking of his early langford fight as well as the easy time he had in his short 4 round move up north. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Chapter 5 is a good one. it Covers Johnson's sparring session with Wills. And it seems Wills didnt like McVey or johnson very much at all. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
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02-09-2013, 07:51 PM	#7
Boilermaker Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 3,770 vCash: 685	Re: Harry Wills Articles here is chapter 1 of the series. It is obviously a little biased, because Harry is still trying to get a shot at Dempsey, which does explain a few things, but still, nonetheless he is very scathing of Dempsey. Although it is interesting that he sees Dempsey's decline as playing into his own hands, when in reality Harry Declined equally as quick. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
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02-09-2013, 08:07 PM	#8
Boilermaker Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 3,770 vCash: 685	Re: Harry Wills Articles missing 9 and 6 Chapter 9 This one is the start of the Jim Johnson story above in chapter 8. It is interesting that Jim Johnson was quite a bit stronger than Wills also, seems to be quite a bit bigger which i didnt realise, before. I dare say that the comments about Johnson beating Jack Johnson might cause a bit of a war between Mendoza and McVey, if either reads it. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] I think that this is the missing chapter 6. It tells of the start of the first Langford fight. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
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02-09-2013, 08:44 PM	#9
Boilermaker Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 3,770 vCash: 685	Re: Harry Wills Articles This one is really good. Wills suggests that his KO of Fulton was his second KO of Fulton. It does paint a very easy time of Fulton. I am not sure what chapter number it is. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
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02-09-2013, 08:50 PM	#10
Boilermaker Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 3,770 vCash: 685	Re: Harry Wills Articles Chapter 12 This one discusses his KO of Bill Tate and also a No Contest with McVey who was getting on in age by this time. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
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02-09-2013, 08:57 PM	#11
Boilermaker Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 3,770 vCash: 685	Re: Harry Wills Articles Chapter 13 of the story is here. It is interesting that one of the fixes in the Wills Johnson fight was to give Wills smaller than usual gloves! This resulted in Wills apparently hurting both hands. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
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02-10-2013, 06:30 AM	#14
McGrain Diamond Dog East Side VIP Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 63,251 vCash: 1000	Re: Harry Wills Articles The enhancement of Wills standing is based upon the fighters he beat, who are better by a slim margin than the fighters that Dempsey beat IMO. It is not based upon some emotional response. It's still incredibly rare to see him ranked above Dempsey and incredibly rare to see him in top 10 hw lists. IN other words, in my opinion, he is still underrated.
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