ending w/ lead hand concept

[Theron]

Originally Posted by orriray59

Because a top trainer says something doesn't mean it's right, for everybody. Fuck that. It throws me off balance.

Originally Posted by orriray59

I don't give a flying fuck what Lou Duva thinks, finishing with a hook more often than not throws me off balance so I'm naturally not going to do it.

It really does sound like you hook is fucked, need to work on it...

[brown bomber]

Originally Posted by Pugsley

it doesnt matter what is a safe or non safe combination. Everytime you throw punches you are vulnerable.

Not true

[brown bomber]

Originally Posted by Theron

A left hook gets you back in position, it puts your body back into it's boxing stance and puts you in balance. Gets you back in your ''pocket'' and you can work better from there.

No it doesn't - if you throw a left hook properly your hips and feet should turn into it thus your body will be turned far more to the side then a normal boxing stance - additionally your weight should have transferred to your back leg rather then be balanced so your weight will not be properly proportioned.

A hook uses your whole body for propulsion and transfer of weight from left to right, or front to back is the main reason why it isn't as good a punch to finish on as the jab par se... Obviously circumstances dictate how you should finish a combination but as most engagements won't lead to a brutal knockout opportunity it would be more reasonable to suggest that a jab will leave the boxer in a better position to continue the attack - or defend.

[Johnstown]

Originally Posted by brown bomber

No it doesn't - if you throw a left hook properly your hips and feet should turn into it thus your body will be turned far more to the side then a normal boxing stance - additionally your weight should have transferred to your back leg rather then be balanced so your weight will not be properly proportioned.

A hook uses your whole body for propulsion and transfer of weight from left to right, or front to back is the main reason why it isn't as good a punch to finish on as the jab par se... Obviously circumstances dictate how you should finish a combination but as most engagements won't lead to a brutal knockout opportunity it would be more reasonable to suggest that a jab will leave the boxer in a better position to continue the attack - or defend.

I don't agree..you land the hook..the guy reacts, your body turns out the other way...you are safe to either leave the pocket or stay in and start a new combination.

[brown bomber]

What?

[Johnstown]

Originally Posted by brown bomber

What?

if you land the hook...most times you can safelty get space....because the way you turn with the hook...step back with your right foot and pivot out a bit after a left hook and your be fine.

[boxon123]

Originally Posted by Theron

Well hey maybe you should tell Lou Duva, we all know he needs some help coaching...

If somebody finished with a left hook you would want to turn to your left taking the sting away from the punch and probably counter with a left of your own but by then the person is in their pocket and can easily move back or do whatever they want to dodge your punch or get out clean, if you throw a jab i would think to throw a right over the top, the difference is if you imagine a guy finishing a combination on you by throwing a left hook and him going back into his position and you wanting to throw a left hook or uppercut he can move back and counter again because he will most likely be in better position and balance. But if you imagine him ending with a jab he will be more straight up and in less of a position to defend than if he had thrown a hook and you can counter with a jab and work from there.

Anyway whichever you prefer dosen't make any difference to me so yeah

Personally i do like the jab but i still think the left hook is better.

I have spent time with better trainers than Lou Duva and you are not right.

[brown bomber]

Originally Posted by Johnstown

if you land the hook...most times you can safelty get space....because the way you turn with the hook...step back with your right foot and pivot out a bit after a left hook and your be fine.

There is either a language barrier or a ring craft barrier but you appear to bespeaking nonsense

[StillWill]

Mayweather Sr when working the pads has his fighters finish all combos with the jab, maybe two

[Johnstown]

a jab is a good finishing punch if your game is to get in do work and get the fuck out.....that would work for most mayweather fighters....wouldnt be what a swarmer slugger or just general blood man would want to do.

[jeffjoiner]

Originally Posted by Johnstown

well the left hook is the natural 3rd punch to the 1, 2 due to that being how counting is done....lol

also....you throw the jab...left shoulder goes out..right hand gets "loaded up" in a safe way...throw the right..left hand comes back as the body position turns...now you are in perfect position to throw the left hook.... however....if you are planning on coming out of the pocket. LIke say you just hit a guy 4 times...jab cross hook right...but he is strong as a ox and you dont want to get into a brawl..you can step out of the pocket with a jab.

Great way of explaining something I do repeatedly. If I'm staying put, I throw the hook. If I'm stepping out I throw the jab.

[Theron]

Originally Posted by boxon123

I have spent time with better trainers than Lou Duva and you are not right.

Good for you

[Johnstown]

Originally Posted by boxon123

I have spent time with better trainers than Lou Duva and you are not right.

[bballchump11]

If I end with a right cross, I like to roll under and pivot out

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by Theron

It really does sound like you hook is fucked, need to work on it...

Get the fuck out of here, my hook is just fine.