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Old 02-17-2013, 03:50 PM   #16
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That's why I said "if"...
Its a huge "if" though jake mate.

I'm just gonna sit back and watch the Vazquez fight before talking ideal situations. We dont live in an ideal world. And its likely Ricky could get beat at this hurdle, nevermind Broner.
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Old 02-17-2013, 04:07 PM   #17
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Its a huge "if" though jake mate.

I'm just gonna sit back and watch the Vazquez fight before talking ideal situations. We dont live in an ideal world. And its likely Ricky could get beat at this hurdle, nevermind Broner.
I too think Burns will get beat, but it's a close fight, could defo pull it off.
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Old 02-17-2013, 09:30 PM   #18
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Needs more than those two to be top ten of all time, defo yes to p4p. Where would he go after those two victorys though?
140, he has the size


Still getting ahead of ourselves, Vasquez is not only a tough fight but an awkward style
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Old 02-17-2013, 11:18 PM   #19
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... if Burns won two unification bouts in a row against Vasquez and Broner (won fairly on points), would he be one of the top ten best British boxers of all time??

And would you put him in today's P4P list if he beat both?


Better question, if Burns beat Broner, would that win rank higher than Calzaghes win over Lacy?

Hands up who thinks yes?
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:54 AM   #20
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No not all time but yes in current P4P list.
To be fair though Broner was willing to fight him on numerous occasions and he declined. I gather FW has alot to do with this.
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Old 02-18-2013, 07:53 AM   #21
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Needs more than those two to be top ten of all time, defo yes to p4p. Where would he go after those two victorys though?
he would move up to light welter.

I think he will finish his career at 140.
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Old 02-18-2013, 07:55 AM   #22
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Better question, if Burns beat Broner, would that win rank higher than Calzaghes win over Lacy?

Hands up who thinks yes?
Depends on how the victory comes, if Burns were to somehow beat Broner from pillar to post it would.

If he beats Vazquez and Broner he deserves to be ranked P4P, just as if Broner beat either one of them I think a P4P ranking would be justified.

And to the tit saying the gap in class between Burns and Vazquez is huge and using examples of Vazquez losing, since when do losses contribute to resume?
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Old 02-18-2013, 07:58 AM   #23
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Nowhere near top 10 British boxers of all time, but he'd certainly be seen as one of the top 10 fighters p4p.
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Old 02-18-2013, 02:12 PM   #24
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Better question, if Burns beat Broner, would that win rank higher than Calzaghes win over Lacy?

Hands up who thinks yes?
He wont beat Broner,its that simple.
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Old 02-18-2013, 02:17 PM   #25
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he is terrified of broner in my opinion and thats why he wasn't in the ring last night
I dont believe for 1 minute Burns is terrified of Broner,hes an improving fighter,and like nearly all fighters will fight anyone,i think Billy is more terrified,and if he isnt,he should be.
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Old 02-20-2013, 05:18 AM   #26
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Good article on Broner v Rees and a future Broner-Burns fight.

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Old 02-20-2013, 09:11 AM   #27
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he wont beat broner think he will give him a good fight though, but cant see him winning
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Old 02-21-2013, 08:42 AM   #28
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Just seen this discussion,mentioned my thoughts in another one.Said that IMO if he beats Vasquez,Id rate him very highly in the British all time list,probably above Jim Watt and below Ken Buchanan,which,for me,is right up there.Think his improvement since losing to Alex Arthur and Carl Johanneson has been tremendous,and credit to him for that.Again only my opinion,but wins over those 2 would put him over{gonna get shot for this}Randolph Turpins one massive win.Hope he can,but a tough ask.
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Old 02-21-2013, 10:07 AM   #29
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No not all time but yes in current P4P list.
To be fair though Broner was willing to fight him on numerous occasions and he declined. I gather FW has alot to do with this.
Well you gather wrong Don it was Ricky choice nobody else,I'd love to know we're you get your wrong info from we have a right laugh at people like you in the gym
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Old 02-21-2013, 10:13 AM   #30
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Well you gather wrong Don it was Ricky choice nobody else,I'd love to know we're you get your wrong info from we have a right laugh at people like you in the gym
So why have HBO said he priced himself out? Not only that, but Broner and management said exactly the same thing. AND Eddie Hearn.

Ricky said 5 weeks wasn't enough, right?

But would have took the fight if they paid the rate he thinks he is worth?

I hope we get the fight after Vazquez so Broner can shut you lot up, but lets face it, he aint getting past this hurdle and even if he pulled of the miracle of biblical proportions, we all know we'd be getting Liam Walsh, Scott Harrison or a Kevin Mitchell rematch.

Laugh at that in the gym.
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