Jack Dempsey VS Michael Moore..two versions

[Johnstown]

Lets image the best Jack Dempsey..how does he stack up against two versions of Moore



1) Willard Dempsey (with a training camp to focus on a guy like Moore, south paw sparring and all) vs 94 Holyfield Moore (teddy switches the training over for Dempsey early in training camp).

2) Willard Dempsey (with a training camp to focus on a guy like moore, south paw sparring and all) vs 1990 175 pound Moore (weigh in the day before, was likely about 190 by fight night). We will say the Moore that fought Mario Oscar Melo. (Emmanuel Steward trains Moore for this fight).

[PowerPuncher]

* Moorer

Anyway Dempsey realises he's fighting a black dude and jumps the hell out of the ring, oh ok ok we're assuming the fight happens?

Moorer is better than anyone Dempsey beat and both fighters could knock the other out. It suits Dempsey as a match up as Moorer is going to stand in front of him and exchange. Moorer is technically better though with his jab, high guard and shorter punches and he could punish allot of Dempsey's mistakes.

In some ways it's a similar match up to Moorer-Cooper so I'd say it depends on rule set. If Dempsey can knock Moorer down early and stand over Moorer he wins, if he can't Moorer can regroup and begin to pick Dempsey apart with his superior technical skills

EDIT just noticed the 2 versions, I think the heavier Moorer almost certainly wins, too big

[Mr Butt]

Moored was good to watch more often than not but I really have no confidence in his chin , I take Dempsey by stoppage against both version's of moorer

[Johnstown]

Originally Posted by PowerPuncher

* Moorer

Anyway Dempsey realises he's fighting a black dude and jumps the hell out of the ring, oh ok ok we're assuming the fight happens?

Moorer is better than anyone Dempsey beat and both fighters could knock the other out. It suits Dempsey as a match up as Moorer is going to stand in front of him and exchange. Moorer is technically better though with his jab, high guard and shorter punches and he could punish allot of Dempsey's mistakes.

In some ways it's a similar match up to Moorer-Cooper so I'd say it depends on rule set. If Dempsey can knock Moorer down early and stand over Moorer he wins, if he can't Moorer can regroup and begin to pick Dempsey apart with his superior technical skills

EDIT just noticed the 2 versions, I think the heavier Moorer almost certainly wins, too big

that whole jumping out of the ring must have made those sparring sessions with Tate really tough on the legs...


like that goofy pole ricky hatton use to jump over in between heavybag roounds

[lufcrazy]

Moorer has an excellent jab but he is too easily drawn into a firefight and noway does he outlast dempsey.

regarding the hw version of moorer being too big, was moorer ever really bigger than dempsey, by that I mean frame wise?

[Johnstown]

Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Moorer has an excellent jab but he is too easily drawn into a firefight and noway does he outlast dempsey.

regarding the hw version of moorer being too big, was moorer ever really bigger than dempsey, by that I mean frame wise?

he got up to 220 (hell he got up to like 260 later in his career) but even at 215 he was kind of chubby....i would be curious to see a tale of the tape..hell i will find one....

[Johnstown]

Holyfld Moorer
Weight 214 223
Height 6-2 1/2 6-2
Age 34 29
Reach 77 1/2 78
Chest (normal) 43 42 1/2
Chest (expanded) 45 44
Biceps 16 17
Forearm 12 1/2 14
Waist 32 34
Thigh 22 26 1/2
Calf 13 17
Neck 19 1/2 20
Wrist 7 1/2 8
Fist 12 1/2 12





Tale Of The Tape Jack Dempsey
Height
Weight
Reach
Chest/Norm.
Chest/Exp.
Waist
Biceps
Neck
Wrist
Calf
Ankle
Thigh
Fist
Forearm

6-1
192
77
42
46
33
16¼
16½
9
15
9
23
11¼
14½

[PowerPuncher]

If you've sparred with a heavier opponent, you'll know even fat guys can make allot of use of their weight if they know how to use it nevermind bigger stronger guys. Weight is very important in boxing

[Mr Butt]

Height and reach not much difference at all and weight yes there is a difference but Dempsey can find that suspect chin

[Johnstown]

Dempsey Moore
Height 6"1 6"2
Weight 192 223
Reach 77 78
Chest (normal) 42 42 1/2
Chest (expanded) 46 44
Waist 33 34
Biceps 16 1/4 17
Neck 16 1/2 20 (hard to believe he had a 20 inch neck)
wrist 9 8
calf 15 17
thigh 23 26 1/2
fist 11 1/4 12
forearm 14 1/2 14


made it easier.

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by PowerPuncher

If you've sparred with a heavier opponent, you'll know even fat guys can make allot of use of their weight if they know how to use it nevermind bigger stronger guys. Weight is very important in boxing

but my point is, if moorer can bulk up, why shouldn't jack?

[Johnstown]

Originally Posted by Mr Butt

Height and reach not much difference at all and weight yes there is a difference but Dempsey can find that suspect chin

also the fact that moore was a south paw means that lead right hands and left hooks are your main weapons...rather than jabs..would help dempsey as those were punches he was good with

[Johnstown]

Originally Posted by lufcrazy

but my point is, if moorer can bulk up, why shouldn't jack?

well....i dont really know that moore was that much better a fighter at 220 than he was at 175..even head to head.

[PowerPuncher]

Originally Posted by lufcrazy

but my point is, if moorer can bulk up, why shouldn't jack?

Because he didn't? Although he maybe he sort of did as he was a LHW too. But yes in the modern era he may bulk up if he didn't stay at LHW. He may learn to keep his guard up and jab but he didn't do any of those things so it's going into a parellel universe or making allot of our time machine

That's why it's difficult to compare fighters from other eras you have to allow for allot of factors

Originally Posted by Johnstown

well....i dont really know that moore was that much better a fighter at 220 than he was at 175..even head to head.

He might not look as dynamic but the weight helped him, as did Holyfield's weight, as did Patterson's weight, as did Jack Johnson's bulked up weight

Originally Posted by Johnstown

also the fact that moore was a south paw means that lead right hands and left hooks are your main weapons...rather than jabs..would help dempsey as those were punches he was good with

He doesn't really have a lead right though, not from range where it's useful and facing a southpaw is about understanding the angles where everything is in reverse.

A jab is still a great tool against a southpaw if you know how to use the angles

[Johnstown]