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Old 02-19-2013, 06:14 AM   #31
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You're right, Australia produced him. They were in his corner for all his Amateur Career spanning about 10 years, with World Amateur Championships, Olympics under his belt... For Russia.


Your right, it's hard to claim Kostya as an Australian boxer. Fair enough he fought out of here as a pro but it was the Russian boxing school that produced him technically and mentally as a top athlete, it would be a hard case to argue that his boxing skill came from Johnny Lewis' training. Kostya probably could of trained with just about any trainer in Australia and got the same results.
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But my thread was intended for Australia Born boxers
What a pity we don't all have ESP and we would have known
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Old 02-19-2013, 07:19 AM   #33
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For Australian born fighters it looks like Jeff Fenech fought the most world champions >>>

1. Azumah Nelson
2. Phillip Holiday
3. Calvin Grove
4. Marcos Villasana
6. Carlos Zarate
7. Victor Callejas
8. Greg Richardson
9. Samart Payakaroon
10. Daniel Zaragoza

Fenech also fought Mario Martinez who won an IBO title.
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Old 02-19-2013, 06:46 PM   #34
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Your right, it's hard to claim Kostya as an Australian boxer. Fair enough he fought out of here as a pro but it was the Russian boxing school that produced him technically and mentally as a top athlete, it would be a hard case to argue that his boxing skill came from Johnny Lewis' training. Kostya probably could of trained with just about any trainer in Australia and got the same results.
Exactly my point. What is interesting is how Kostya's fighting style changed tremendously in his Pro career. In the Ams, he was really fast, with great movement and power, an extremely proficient boxer in all sense of the word. He slowed down in the Pros which is understandable, and his style adjusted to suit.
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Old 02-19-2013, 07:58 PM   #35
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By the way all........the Kostya remark was tongue in cheek........lighten up a bit hey.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:48 PM   #36
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No, the point is that Manny Siaca is only a 'world champ' (and i use the term loosely) because Mundine lost to him. You shouldn't mention Mundine in the same sentence as Fenech, Tszyu and Darchynian - they were all legitimate world champs and world class fighters whereas Mundin was just a top notch DOMESTIC LEVEL boxer.
The thread says who fought the most champions not who is Australia's greatest fighter, just pointing out the facts that are related to the topic at hand...
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:57 PM   #37
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So, was the answer Fenech or Mundine...

I'm reading two different posters asserting different answers...do we have a consensus?
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The thread says who fought the most champions not who is Australia's greatest fighter, just pointing out the facts that are related to the topic at hand...
Of the Australian born fighters, the answer could be the same for each question anyway - Jeff Fenech.

I can't think of an Australian born fighter who would have fought more world champions than Fenech did, and if he isn't the greatest fighter we have ever produced he is probably second behind Lionel Rose.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:01 PM   #39
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I rate Fenech as our greatest Oz fighter...........can't stand him as a person but as fighter he was a pure animal.
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So, was the answer Fenech or Mundine...

I'm reading two different posters asserting different answers...do we have a consensus?
Fenech had 10, and his opponents were all WBA, WBC or IBF champions

Mundine had 6, and a couple of extremely questionable ones in McKart (WBF/WBO/IBA) & Taylor (WBF).
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:22 PM   #41
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I know this thread has gone all racist but my pic would be Aussie Joe Bugner..
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:50 PM   #42
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I know this thread has gone all racist but my pic would be Aussie Joe Bugner..

Aussie born or raised i think is the qualification.

I think we should cut it off at the age of 18yrs and over coming to Australia don't count
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:09 PM   #43
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Aussie born or raised i think is the qualification.

I think we should cut it off at the age of 18yrs and over coming to Australia don't count
I disagree...I think those of Australian (which logically includes Aboriginals) background should only be considered..

That would have the effect of disqualifying Fenech from this thread as his backround is not Australian, Fenech is obviously a Maltese name for a man of Maltese background, shit he doesn't even look Australian but Maltese or some Italian type of ethnic... irrespective of his Australian 'citizenship'.

Obviously Les Darcy, Lionel Rose, T. Mundine, Hec Thompson, Ellis all qualify, but Darchiniyian (Armenian), Tzsyu (Russian), Ndou (South African), Fenech (Maltese), Mattioli (italian), Meehan (Kiwi/Islander), all the various lebo's (Hussein's, Hamden etc) and Bugner (Hungarian) don't.
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Aussie born or raised i think is the qualification.

I think we should cut it off at the age of 18yrs and over coming to Australia don't count
Aussie Joe was only about 45 when he became a true blue Aussie.
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Old 02-20-2013, 12:34 AM   #45
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I disagree...I think those of Australian (which logically includes Aboriginals) background should only be considered..

That would have the effect of disqualifying Fenech from this thread as his backround is not Australian, Fenech is obviously a Maltese name for a man of Maltese background, shit he doesn't even look Australian but Maltese or some Italian type of ethnic... irrespective of his Australian 'citizenship'.

Obviously Les Darcy, Lionel Rose, T. Mundine, Hec Thompson, Ellis all qualify, but Darchiniyian (Armenian), Tzsyu (Russian), Ndou (South African), Fenech (Maltese), Mattioli (italian), Meehan (Kiwi/Islander), all the various lebo's (Hussein's, Hamden etc) and Bugner (Hungarian) don't.
Fenech was born here and represented Australia at the Olympics, so why wouldn't he be Australian? Hussein also fought at the Olympics for Australia and was born here.

Pretty sure Ellis was born in England, your criteria for Australian fighters is questionable, it is a multi-cultural society and our nation was founded on immigration, everyone who has come in the last 225 years doesn't look like a 'real' Australian.
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