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Old 02-25-2013, 05:28 PM   #31
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More KOs with punches in MMA and K1 is because boxers are smarter when it comes to punches. They see the punches coming and also know how to roll with the punches and have a lot better defense. Also if you are thinking about take downs, kicks and all that you may not see the punches coming
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Old 02-25-2013, 05:31 PM   #32
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Old 02-25-2013, 05:41 PM   #33
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Statistically, there are actually fewer knockouts in MMA. Submissions and decisions account for the bulk of their outcomes. Three ways to win instead of two.

But, MMA guys don't set their feet and follow through on their punches as much as boxers do. After all, if your feet are set and you miss, somebody can take you down.
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Old 02-25-2013, 09:34 PM   #34
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No, technique=power and they lack the technique because they fail to see the importance of a real boxing coach. Cub Swanson is looking like a genius more and more w every fight.
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Old 02-25-2013, 10:41 PM   #35
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The kickboxer Jerome le Banner was a tremendous hitter in his prime. Back in the day he knocked Matt Skelton unconscious in one round using just his fists. This is a Skelton who, in later years, went on to have a very successful career at British domestic level and was known for his toughness and excellent chin. In fact those were his defining traits, since he badly lacked in technical fundamentals. And let us not forget that Vitali Klitschko, one of the most dominant stoppage artists in heavyweight history, was originally a kickboxer.

Kickboxing, especially K-1 rules kickboxing, emphasises all out aggression and rewards those who can deliver it. Powerful Shannon Briggs type guys thrive in that environment. They also (speaking of K-1 again) have a very lax steroid testing system, which results in overmuscled freaks who'd gas in five rounds but are absolutely devastating over three, which is the length of a K-1 bout.

It's pretty rich people talking about lack of technique here when you've got chubby brawlers like Arreola making a name for themselves. Fighters like le Banner and Mike Bernado had excellent punching technique, and were very capable of delivering crisp explosive knockout punches in combination. Ray Sefo, who actually had a short abortive boxing career, was a huge one punch knockout guy, just not a great boxer obviously. Mighty Mo had mammoth power, and knocked out the iron headed Valuev of K-1, Hong Man Choi, with a single overhand right. Neither of those guys made it in boxing because they lacked the technique and perhaps the versatility to adapt to their new environment. In Sefo's case he was too aggressive and unsuited for the longer pace of boxing matches, in Mo's case he was simply too crude. Didn't mean they didn't both punch like the clappers though.

Le Banner actually had a bit of success in boxing, and was good enough to draw Don King's attention back in the early 2000s. Ultimately, he was getting too good of a deal of it in Japan to make the move permanently (he might have also realised that King was an absolute snake, and didn't want to get involved).

Ironically it was the far cruder and less talented Skelton who made a career in boxing, because he was determined to make a go of it after numerous bad decisions convinced him to leave the world of kickboxing behind.
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Old 02-25-2013, 11:06 PM   #36
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power is power. its not confined to a style of fighting
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Old 02-26-2013, 12:09 AM   #37
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Old 02-26-2013, 02:46 AM   #38
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The kickboxer Jerome le Banner was a tremendous hitter in his prime. Back in the day he knocked Matt Skelton unconscious in one round using just his fists. This is a Skelton who, in later years, went on to have a very successful career at British domestic level and was known for his toughness and excellent chin. In fact those were his defining traits, since he badly lacked in technical fundamentals. And let us not forget that Vitali Klitschko, one of the most dominant stoppage artists in heavyweight history, was originally a kickboxer.

Kickboxing, especially K-1 rules kickboxing, emphasises all out aggression and rewards those who can deliver it. Powerful Shannon Briggs type guys thrive in that environment. They also (speaking of K-1 again) have a very lax steroid testing system, which results in overmuscled freaks who'd gas in five rounds but are absolutely devastating over three, which is the length of a K-1 bout.

It's pretty rich people talking about lack of technique here when you've got chubby brawlers like Arreola making a name for themselves. Fighters like le Banner and Mike Bernado had excellent punching technique, and were very capable of delivering crisp explosive knockout punches in combination. Ray Sefo, who actually had a short abortive boxing career, was a huge one punch knockout guy, just not a great boxer obviously. Mighty Mo had mammoth power, and knocked out the iron headed Valuev of K-1, Hong Man Choi, with a single overhand right. Neither of those guys made it in boxing because they lacked the technique and perhaps the versatility to adapt to their new environment. In Sefo's case he was too aggressive and unsuited for the longer pace of boxing matches, in Mo's case he was simply too crude. Didn't mean they didn't both punch like the clappers though.

Le Banner actually had a bit of success in boxing, and was good enough to draw Don King's attention back in the early 2000s. Ultimately, he was getting too good of a deal of it in Japan to make the move permanently (he might have also realised that King was an absolute snake, and didn't want to get involved).

Ironically it was the far cruder and less talented Skelton who made a career in boxing, because he was determined to make a go of it after numerous bad decisions convinced him to leave the world of kickboxing behind.

you have made some very good points and lebanner
usually lists his style as boxing
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Old 02-26-2013, 02:47 AM   #39
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**** off homo...

with that picture your calling someone a homo

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More KOs with punches in MMA and K1 is because boxers are smarter when it comes to punches. They see the punches coming and also know how to roll with the punches and have a lot better defense. Also if you are thinking about take downs, kicks and all that you may not see the punches coming


yes i agree with everything your saying

but in k1 they use normal boxing gloves

but again i do find it odd sometimes
reading stats of a guy landed 203 power punches in 10 rounds
and his oppent only having a tiny mouse under his eye

no one can see-roll from that many shots
and no chin should be able to take that

his oppent is a human being not a cyborg


and some mentioned that a lot of mma fights end by subs
true
but alot of the subs come after a guy was hurt by a punch


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Old 02-26-2013, 06:51 AM   #41
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na bollecks. I'd bet no MMA fighter hits as hard as Wlad simple as that
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Old 02-26-2013, 07:03 AM   #42
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I'm pretty sure they did a test on Enzo Macrinelli and he hit with 3 and a half tons of pressure and Rampage "only" hit with 1900lbs. Still a very hard shot even for a boxer by Rampage but not the same sort of power as a hard hitting boxer.
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Old 02-26-2013, 07:08 AM   #43
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yes i agree with everything your saying

but in k1 they use normal boxing gloves

but again i do find it odd sometimes
reading stats of a guy landed 203 power punches in 10 rounds
and his oppent only having a tiny mouse under his eye

no one can see-roll from that many shots
and no chin should be able to take that

his oppent is a human being not a cyborg


and some mentioned that a lot of mma fights end by subs
true
but alot of the subs come after a guy was hurt by a punch


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Have you ever actually boxed, or even done MMA or kick boxing for that matter? In none of these sports would you throw every punch with full force, this requires a lot of loading up which will bgive your opponent time to avoid the attack, even more so in boxing where they are better at slipping. In boxing the competitors also have better punch resistance imo, but just because boxers will throw a lot of punches to score shots doesn't mean they don't have power. I don't watch much mma but in Rua vs Machida 1, didn't Rua land well over 100 punches and kicks all together?
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Old 02-26-2013, 07:15 AM   #44
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The kickboxer Jerome le Banner was a tremendous hitter in his prime. Back in the day he knocked Matt Skelton unconscious in one round using just his fists. This is a Skelton who, in later years, went on to have a very successful career at British domestic level and was known for his toughness and excellent chin. In fact those were his defining traits, since he badly lacked in technical fundamentals. And let us not forget that Vitali Klitschko, one of the most dominant stoppage artists in heavyweight history, was originally a kickboxer.

Kickboxing, especially K-1 rules kickboxing, emphasises all out aggression and rewards those who can deliver it. Powerful Shannon Briggs type guys thrive in that environment. They also (speaking of K-1 again) have a very lax steroid testing system, which results in overmuscled freaks who'd gas in five rounds but are absolutely devastating over three, which is the length of a K-1 bout.

It's pretty rich people talking about lack of technique here when you've got chubby brawlers like Arreola making a name for themselves. Fighters like le Banner and Mike Bernado had excellent punching technique, and were very capable of delivering crisp explosive knockout punches in combination. Ray Sefo, who actually had a short abortive boxing career, was a huge one punch knockout guy, just not a great boxer obviously. Mighty Mo had mammoth power, and knocked out the iron headed Valuev of K-1, Hong Man Choi, with a single overhand right. Neither of those guys made it in boxing because they lacked the technique and perhaps the versatility to adapt to their new environment. In Sefo's case he was too aggressive and unsuited for the longer pace of boxing matches, in Mo's case he was simply too crude. Didn't mean they didn't both punch like the clappers though.

Le Banner actually had a bit of success in boxing, and was good enough to draw Don King's attention back in the early 2000s. Ultimately, he was getting too good of a deal of it in Japan to make the move permanently (he might have also realised that King was an absolute snake, and didn't want to get involved).

Ironically it was the far cruder and less talented Skelton who made a career in boxing, because he was determined to make a go of it after numerous bad decisions convinced him to leave the world of kickboxing behind.
Mark Hunt's another banfer who failed at boxing. All of these guys can bang obviously but the hardest punching boxers will hit harder.
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I'm gonna take a wild guess and say this thread came from the general forum.
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