*** The official 2012/2013 NBA season shootaround ***

[Sister Sledge]

Originally Posted by puertorricane

Miami doesnt have more talent this year than last if anything they are worst because wade is older and slower and not the same he was in his prime. And the same goes for ray allen, rashad lewis, battier, mike miller. The heat have the best player in the league in lebron, a great player in bosh. A great player that in wade that is not the same he was in his prime and a bunch of old has beens and role players. Yet people dont want to give spoelstra any credit. When they win lebron bailed him out when they lose is his fault, is ok because once he wins another title he'll be set and will have a job somewhere in the league for 20 yrs.

The chemistry is clicking and they are playing more efficiently than last year. Wade is not slower than he was last year. He is quicker.

[SweetHome_Bama]

Originally Posted by puertorricane

Phil Jackson won his titles with Pippen, Rodman, Jordan, Kobe, Shaq, Gasol, yet he gets a ton of credit for winning them.

The fact that people struggle before are after Phil's departure/arrival with teams of the same personnel speaks to his ability to coach.

[smitty_son408]

Officials BLATANLY rig games and the Lakers still cant win, Pathetic!

[MAG1965]

When you have 3 guys as good as James,Wade and Bosh it helps the coach, and it helps those 3 guys.

[KOTF]

WTF is going on in Utah-Boston, like a 5 minute timeout occurred

[canucks9314]

Originally Posted by Sister Sledge

There is a difference in being in your prime and being on the slide. Wade is quicker than he was last year and seems as quick as he ever was. I don't think he's lost a step yet, and he seems to have gotten his wind back. For the past two years, he has taken time off in games and coasted. Even at the beginning of this season he coasted. Maybe it was all the nagging injuries. Maybe is was a lack of dedication and conditioning.
Whatever is was, he's playing like the 2nd or 3rd best player in the league now. Beside Waiters toasting his ass, he has been the best defender on his team over the last month, and Lebron seems to be more interested in padding his stats while Wade has stepped up his game.
I'm not saying anything bad about Lebron, because he has carried the team this year, so there is no shame in riding Wade now, because Wade has done the same to him. They are playing great together.
The thing I like about them playing together now is that they are both getting high percentage shots.
If Bosh kicks it up a notch, there will be nothing to stop Miami.

How exactly is he padding his stats?

Btw Lebron is clearly a better defender than Wade. At the end of every close game in the 4th quarter he guards the opposing teams best player and has shut them all down (kyrie, kobe, harden etc...). Part of the reason the Heat have such a good record in close games.

[canucks9314]

Originally Posted by Sister Sledge

Just trolling. I know you guys hate Spo. I will say that he is better than Vinny and Brown.

Not saying much lol. I think Spo is an average coach.

[Rexrapper 1]

Originally Posted by canucks9314

How exactly is he padding his stats?

Btw Lebron is clearly a better defender than Wade. At the end of every close game in the 4th quarter he guards the opposing teams best player and has shut them all down (kyrie, kobe, harden etc...). Part of the reason the Heat have such a good record in close games.

Naw they are pretty close. I think they are probably the two best defenders at their position. Lebron guards the teams best player at the end of the game because he tells Spo. Lebron and Spo have said this in the past.

[canucks9314]

Originally Posted by Rexrapper 1

Naw they are pretty close. I think they are probably the two best defenders at their position. Lebron guards the teams best player at the end of the game because he tells Spo. Lebron and Spo have said this in the past.

Lebron is better imo. Early in the season he was coasting on defense and mAybe wade was better but during their 11 game streak Lebron has been better defensively. Not to mention James has to carry a bigger burden on offense.

[Rexrapper 1]

Originally Posted by canucks9314

Lebron is better imo. Early in the season he was coasting on defense and mAybe wade was better but during their 11 game streak Lebron has been better defensively. Not to mention James has to carry a bigger burden on offense.

I do think Lebron is better but clearly? I disagree. Both are damn good defenders. I think Wade has better lateral movement, a better shot blocker, just as good in the passing lanes. I think Lebron is a way better help defender though. Wade has played a big role as well. I think he is leading the team in most major categories in the 4th quarter in this 11 game win streak.

[Sister Sledge]

Wade has been a better defender over the past month is what I said. Even so, Wade was regarded the better defender of the two before they joined up. Wade regressed while Lebron got better. Now, Wade is playing D. like he did before. Lebron has been the more consistent player and defender, but Wade has always had the potential and instints to be a better defender than Lebron, and has been as of late.

[allenko1]

yall all know you love you some LeBron James. stop jinxing it by talkin down on Spolestra...

[puertorricane]

Originally Posted by SweetHome_Bama

The fact that people struggle before are after Phil's departure/arrival with teams of the same personnel speaks to his ability to coach.

no coach had jordan, pippen, and rodman, and shaq and kobe except for phil jackson and besides phil couldnt win with the same personnel with the lakers his last couple of years... also couldnt win without michael jordan with the bulls

[SweetHome_Bama]

Originally Posted by puertorricane

no coach had jordan, pippen, and rodman, and shaq and kobe except for phil jackson and besides phil couldnt win with the same personnel with the lakers his last couple of years... also couldnt win without michael jordan with the bulls

Doug Collins had Jordan, Pippen, Oakley, Paxson, Cartwright and Grant.
The only player Phil's Bulls had that Collin's didn't have was a prominant role for BJ Armstrong. Now are you really trying to claim that BJ was the missing piece?

Del Harris had the exact same roster Phil had in LA as well. Phil won titles Del didn't. Then when Phil retired Rudy Tomjonovich took over as well as Hamblen when Rudy quit and they didn't do shit. Phil comes back with the same squad and wins more championships. Then they fire Phil and Mike Brown takes over the same team and does worse.

[puertorricane]

Originally Posted by SweetHome_Bama

Doug Collins had Jordan, Pippen, Oakley, Paxson, Cartwright and Grant.
The only player Phil's Bulls had that Collin's didn't have was a prominant role for BJ Armstrong. Now are you really trying to claim that BJ was the missing piece?

Del Harris had the exact same roster Phil had in LA as well. Phil won titles Del didn't. Then when Phil retired Rudy Tomjonovich took over as well as Hamblen when Rudy quit and they didn't do shit. Phil comes back with the same squad and wins more championships. Then they fire Phil and Mike Brown takes over the same team and does worse.

LOL ok nice try but you failed, doug collins had grant and pippen in their rookie and second years and finished 50–32 (.610), 47–35 (.573) respectively and went all the way to the conference finals. Phil Jackson was handed a team that was knocking on the door for a title. Once Jordan retired he couldnt even make the finals.

Del Harris had a rookie Kobe that was hardly ready for the NBA. Once Kobe blossomed then they gave the keys of the team to phil jackson. 2002-03 season the lakers finished fifth and eliminated in the conf. semis. They made the finals the next year but lost. Phil retired and when rudy took over he had kobe and a bunch of average players with no shaq oneal.

When Phil came back they were average and finished third in their division and were eliminated in the first round two years in a row. It wasnt until memphis gift wrapped gasol to the lakers for a bunch of scrubs and some draft picks that they were able to get better.


So once again it is proven that phil jackson can win with a loaded roster and is average with one that isnt.


And to end this debate Lebron James has been in the league for 10 yrs and couldnt win a title until spoelstra started coaching him.