Why Pride will always be greater > than UFC

[rusty nails]

almost everything on that list is a negative

[turbotime]

Pride is just so much better in every way. @ Wanderlei not fighting the best fighters.

Jackson 2x, Sakuraba 3x, Hendo, Arona 2x, CroCop, Fujita, Hunt (This is at fucking heavyweight!)

Hell even shot to hell Wandy has been giving UFC's 185 lb class some tough times

[benebox]

What I miss most is the art of cuttinging off the ring. Now you have way too many fighters backpeddeling in a circle.

[Stoo]

I like both

Brand arguments are retarded. Being MMA fans Im sure you all like to watch the best fights...right...

[scurlaruntings]

Originally Posted by Deckard

It's sort of funny. Scurla hates the UFC and describes it as like the WWE, yet Pride had far closer proximity to professional wrestling than the UFC ever has, look at it's production values, it's stages, it's walkouts, the fact it had crossover fighters/pro wrestlers compete,(yeah, yeah Brock) the fact it was owned by a professional wrestling company in the early days, the fact they fixed fights just like pro wrestling.

Oh, to the OP, if you think it's "good" that small fighters fought giant heavyweights dozens of pounds heavy than them; then you're a moron.

Firstly don't quote me or put words in my mouth rookie.

Secondly wasn't it the UFC not too long ago who had a former WWE Star as the face of the brand? Wasn't it Dana that has gone on record with his adulation of Vince McMahon? How many fighters past and present do you think there's been in the UFC that come from a pro-wrestling background?
What about when they gave Shamrock the 'push' as the worlds most 'Dangerous man'. The same gimmick he had in the WWE?
And yet you have the audacity to berate the pageantry of PRIDE who willfully acknowledged their Pro-Wrestling roots?
Go on humour me how many fixed fights can you name seeing as that appears to be the crux of your argument? You're either an accomplished troll or a spokesmen for that idiot Haggis. Everything with you cheer leaders is the UFC vs everyone else as though you have shares in the f'in company. Tool. Get back in your box.

[greathamza]

Originally Posted by Stoo

I like both

Brand arguments are retarded. Being MMA fans Im sure you all like to watch the best fights...right...

This.
If one enjoys a good scrap why should it matter what the brand name is

[Deckard]

Originally Posted by scurlaruntings

Firstly don't quote me or put words in my mouth rookie.

Secondly wasn't it the UFC not too long ago who had a former WWE Star as the face of the brand? Wasn't it Dana that has gone on record with his adulation of Vince McMahon? How many fighters past and present do you think there's been in the UFC that come from a pro-wrestling background?
What about when they gave Shamrock the 'push' as the worlds most 'Dangerous man'. The same gimmick he had in the WWE?
And yet you have the audacity to berate the pageantry of PRIDE who willfully acknowledged their Pro-Wrestling roots?
Go on humour me how many fixed fights can you name seeing as that appears to be the crux of your argument? You're either an accomplished troll or a spokesmen for that idiot Haggis. Everything with you cheer leaders is the UFC vs everyone else as though you have shares in the f'in company. Tool. Get back in your box.

I like pro-wrestling, love it even. But I have heard you bash UFC alot, associating it with wrestling and using WWE as a pejorative while comparing the two organizations.

Quite a few fights were fixed. Coleman Takada being one, Sakuraba Belfort another.

[scurlaruntings]

Originally Posted by Deckard

I like pro-wrestling, love it even. But I have heard you bash UFC alot, associating it with wrestling and using WWE as a pejorative while comparing the two organizations.

Quite a few fights were fixed. Coleman Takada being one, Sakuraba Belfort another.

Thats because its a legitimate comparison. You on the other hand have chosen to ignore the ECW-esque overtones and story lines that were NOT present in PRIDE, but are readily present in the UFC as it trys to sell its fights. Convenient aye...
Now i want you qualify 'quite a few'. As apart from Coleman Takada which if i remember correctly was called by Bas and the Fight professor who at the time couldn't understand why Coleman appeared to be throwing the fight, I sure as shit don't remember any others. And yet this is an oft repeated 'fact' by UFC cheer leaders.
As for Sakuraba Belfort being fixed you're talking out of your ass. There was nothing fixed about that fight and there is not a shred of conclusive evidence that backs up your assertion.
So hit me with the hee and give me these 'quite a few' examples.

[Deckard]

Are you kidding? Watch Belfort-Sakuraba. Belfort doesn't throw a single punch and flops into guard so many times and just lies in the ring on his back with Sakuraba kicking his legs. Fake fight for sure.

Here look what seasoned vet Gary Goodridge has to say about early Pride
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Liddell talking about Pride fixed fights
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Virtually every fight Takada won was a fix.
Also Quinton-Sakuraba was meant to be a fix but Quinton didn't play along. What normally happened is one guy thought the fight was legitimate and the other was told to lose. Sakuraba thought it was real but Quinton was told to go down. I suspect that's what happened between Sakuraba-Belfort.

It's sherdog but heres a wealth of information on fixed fights in pride
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[will4009]

i still think the massive fucking plastic trophies they gave out are something that the UFC is missing.

[scurlaruntings]

Originally Posted by Deckard

Are you kidding? Watch Belfort-Sakuraba. Belfort doesn't throw a single punch and flops into guard so many times and just lies in the ring on his back with Sakuraba kicking his legs. Fake fight for sure.

Here look what seasoned vet Gary Goodridge has to say about early Pride
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

Liddell talking about Pride fixed fights
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

Virtually every fight Takada won was a fix.
Also Quinton-Sakuraba was meant to be a fix but Quinton didn't play along. What normally happened is one guy thought the fight was legitimate and the other was told to lose. Sakuraba thought it was real but Quinton was told to go down. I suspect that's what happened between Sakuraba-Belfort.

It's sherdog but heres a wealth of information on fixed fights in pride
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

Right so your evidence is a thread from Sherdog...
Iv got work to do skippy. Don't waste my time.

[Stoo]

Originally Posted by Deckard

It's sherdog but heres a wealth of information on fixed fights in pride
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

[Deckard]

Way to deflect the arguments. I provide you links to Goodridge and Liddell, legit fighters emersed in that world who know what was going on. And in that Sherdog thread people are providing links to other legitimate sources to back up claims that fights were fixed. Check out Ruttens podcast with Joe Rogan, he talks about Pride fixed fights there too.

Hey sorry to burst your pride fanboy bubble. But that was a fake as fuck fight fixing organization. It's good for the legitimacy of the sport that Pride is gone.

[BUMPY KNUCKLES]

I never watched Pride live, I was bought up on boxing and K1. I do try to watch as many pride fights as possible, it seemed very exciting to me just the whole makeup of the way things happened over there, from what I've seen it was awsome!

[scurlaruntings]

Originally Posted by Stoo

His disclaimer was pretty cool was it?