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Old 03-02-2013, 07:29 PM   #16
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It wasn't the age of Tito for those fights lora..Winky would have dominated him at any stage of their careers. The same with JJ...and it's not because I think that Wright was an ATG or anything, but he was indeed a very adept spoiler type of fighter with a unique style.

Dunno Red, i can definitely see Winky beating Tito prime vs prime, but tito did look awful for me in that fight.I think he'd at least give a far more determined pressure effort in his younger years.
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Old 03-02-2013, 07:30 PM   #17
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No jackson was never really outboxed in his relative prime other than against Graham, but that was more being bamboozled and confused rather than classically outboxed.Graham was beating him up with combo's, pure speed and taking lots of chances.

I don't think you need to pre-emptively blast Jackson out to beat him, but i can't see Wright's brand of pure boxing being the right style both at their best.He's too static with his feet and upperbody, and Jackson was educated and precise enough offensively to break that down, at least when combined with great power anyway.If he had been more of a one-handed or hooking puncher i'd have given him less chance, but he had good variety and hit hard with every shot.
Very well stated lora.
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Old 03-02-2013, 07:52 PM   #18
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All I know is Winky better not try giving Jackson a free shot like he did against Mosley
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Old 03-02-2013, 11:19 PM   #19
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All I know is Winky better not try giving Jackson a free shot like he did against Mosley
I don't think he'd do that with JJ.
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Old 03-03-2013, 12:14 AM   #20
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Wright kind of reminds me of Larry Holmes. Great skills, good power. However he can get careless. This will cost him against Jackson.
When a great punch meets a great chin. More often than not the punch wins.
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Old 03-03-2013, 12:19 AM   #21
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I don't think of Jackson having good stamina but he had several late knockouts including one in the 12th round. Maybe i'm overly influenced by the Tate fight, which was past his peak.
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Old 03-03-2013, 01:29 AM   #22
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I'm a big fan of Winky and his ability, but I'll have to side with Mante on this one.

Winky's shell has barely able to contain the offense of Vargas, Simon and Taylor and of course Vasquez busted him up (prior to Winky developing a hardened shell).

Jackson's offense supersedes those guys so you'd have to think that he'd be able to land some damaging shots that swing the fight his way.

I don't see it being one sided, but it will likely go the way of the Vasquez fight in that Wright generally outboxes him but he'll get beat up and knocked down in patches and end up losing the fight by a good few points.

I won't say Jackson knocks Wright out because he did have a lot of heart, but he'll batter him in spots.

The counter argument of course is that Winky held up well against Tito who is a powerful offensive unit and will do the same against Jackson, but I think Felix was well beyond his best there and would have given a much better account of himself pre-Hopkins.
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Old 03-03-2013, 05:28 AM   #23
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Jackson is a fat better fighter and fought far better people then Trinidad did so comparing them is pretty silly. But wait the media told you he was better just like they tell you Michael Jordan is better than Wilt Chamberlain when the numbers clearly favor Wilt huh?

Jackson by knock out in lesss than 3 rounds.
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Old 03-03-2013, 07:47 AM   #24
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Jackson would squeeze shots through as he did against Drayton. Winky's jab would be a consistent weapon as Jackson liked to pick his moments.

Still, Jackson would do the far more scoreworthy work IMO. Decision win, possibly controversial.
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Old 03-03-2013, 07:48 AM   #25
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Wright kind of reminds me of Larry Holmes. Great skills, good power. However he can get careless. This will cost him against Jackson.
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Old 03-03-2013, 09:09 AM   #26
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I reckon Jackson knocks him out, he was fast enough to break through McCallum's defence and hurt him so I think he can break through Winky's defence
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Old 03-03-2013, 09:24 AM   #27
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I love JJ`s true one puch power !! But, primed Winky was an incredible ring tactician... Hnads high, lots of jabs coming from that southpaw stance and good soild chin. Now i do believe that Jj has the power to crack that chin, maybe. But McCallum was able to shake it off and nailing winky with enough solid shots to get him on the deck ? Thats a problem. I have to go with a 12 UD for Winky based on his tight boxing skills,southpaw skills, and he`d bang that body just enough to take some steam out of JJ.
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Old 03-03-2013, 06:27 PM   #28
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I don't like Wright's flat footed stance and defensive style against Jackson at all.

jackson is not going to traditionally outbox him, but Wright doesn't fight in a way that will give him any breathing room for stretches, nor does he have the punch to keep jackson overly cautious.

I see him hitting Jackson a lot, but getting wailed on and slowly broken down physically.You saw how much more vulnerable he was without his developed defence against maybe the biggest puncher he fought in JCV, so while i do think he possessed solid durability(which is significantly enhanced against certain styles by his eventually more developed defence) i don't think he's the kind of flat footed, light punching fighter that can stand in front of jackson all night and just take it.

You really want to be controlling the ring and slipping a fair amount of shots against a guy like Julian.Not taking them all on your arms and gloves.i wouldn't pick Starling over jackson either and i think he had perhaps the best consistent glove\arm defensive techniques i've seen., but similar drawbacks to Winky.

Wright will certainly be competitive, but i see Jackson's offensive output and sheer bludgeoning force limiting his own offensive output too much to win.He's not got the ability to really fire back and take the play away like McCallum did, and JAckson is a far more determined formidable beast than the Tito that Winky schooled.

this is assuming both at best at 154.I think Winky could win a decision against the midlleweight-especially post-herol graham -Jackson, who no longer had the same balance or overall offensive ability.

I agree. I think Wright, with his hands held high and taking punches on his gloves gets beaten badly by Jackson.
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Old 03-15-2013, 08:35 PM   #29
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Winky all day! He'd make Jackson look clumsy in there for all 12 or 15 rounds and Jackson wouldn't be anywhere near lucky in catching Winky with the same signature shot like the one he caught a young Terry Norris with a year before Norris knocked out John "The Beast" Mugabi.
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Old 03-15-2013, 08:47 PM   #30
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According to Mike McCallum, the key to Jackson's power was his speed. The punches came very quick and he only needed one. Winky could and would be hit. Julio Cesar Vazquez knocked him down 5 times. I really don't like his flat footed style here. I think Julian sparks him.
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