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Old 03-03-2013, 06:11 PM   #16
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Who has better stamina between Alvarez and Cotto?
idk Canelo has more in the gas tank at the end of the fight, but he seems to get tired more often during the fight
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Old 03-03-2013, 06:12 PM   #17
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It's all about the shoulder roll these days baby
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Old 03-03-2013, 06:13 PM   #18
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idk Canelo has more in the gas tank at the end of the fight, but he seems to get tired more often during the fight
Canelo does seem to fade in the later rounds. might be his undoing against Trout.
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Old 03-03-2013, 06:13 PM   #19
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Lack of people who can actually teach it.
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Old 03-03-2013, 06:14 PM   #20
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Canelo does seem to fade in the later rounds. might be his undoing against Trout.
it will be. I'll (or should I say, bball), will be mentioning that quite often in his breakdown thread of this fight
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Old 03-03-2013, 06:16 PM   #21
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I'm assuming you mean bobbing and weaving the way Mike Tyson or Frazier did.

Floyd is slightly short in the general sense, but for his weight class he has a tall person's build. There are better defensive options for a "tall" boxer like Floyd.

manny can't even cut a ring off or fight on the inside let alone bob n weave. He's as far as you can get from being a swarmer. Fighting inside as a southpaw doesn't utilize the unorthodox southpaw angles.
Tyson tended to use the peek-a-boo style of defense more than the Frazier/Armstrong/Qawi style of bob and weave. That said, your point stands regarding FMJ's method of defending.
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Old 03-03-2013, 06:20 PM   #22
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it will be. I'll (or should I say, bball), will be mentioning that quite often in his breakdown thread of this fight
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Old 03-03-2013, 06:33 PM   #23
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I'm assuming you mean bobbing and weaving the way Mike Tyson or Frazier did.

Floyd is slightly short in the general sense, but for his weight class he has a tall person's build. There are better defensive options for a "tall" boxer like Floyd.

manny can't even cut a ring off or fight on the inside let alone bob n weave. He's as far as you can get from being a swarmer. Fighting inside as a southpaw doesn't utilize the unorthodox southpaw angles.
But what if Floyd move up to SMW and fight someone like Carl Froch? Do you think that a bob and weave tactic will be a nightmare for Froch?
Manny is short, so won't the bob and weave be perfect for him?
What about Broner? He's another midget that could really dominate with that style?
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Old 03-03-2013, 06:34 PM   #24
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I blame it all on Freddie Roach.








Then again, I blame EVERYTHING on Freddie Roach.
Max Kellerman said that Sergio Martinez is one of the most athletic middleweights of all times. When I called his radio show and asked him if Sergio can use the bob and weave tactic against guys like Chad Dawson, Max said it will be impossible for Sergio.
Is that his opinion or is that fact?
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Old 03-03-2013, 06:35 PM   #25
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I think Canelo may be able to do it if he goes up in weight, but he'd have to work on his stamina and his headmovement more
How high do you rate Canelo's current head movement? Do you think it's at least a 7 out of 10? How high do you rate Prime Tyson's?
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Old 03-03-2013, 06:36 PM   #26
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Bobbing and weaving is now a lost art. Part of the problem may be due to the amateur rules, as any time a fighter starts to bob the ref warns him about keeping his head up.
Did you see the fight where Tyson almost touched the ground with his lips? He bob and weaved so low for that fight. Berbick look stupid in there trying to find him. Do you think someone like Pacquaio or Floyd can do that against say a SMW? Say against a tall SMW like Lucian Bute?
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Old 03-03-2013, 06:37 PM   #27
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Lack of people who can actually teach it.
Do you think it could be taught? Mike Tyson was a 5'10 Heavyweight who knocked out guys 6'3-6'6. I think shorter fighters like Floyd and Pac and Broner will have massive success going up in weight if they implemented the same style. It's a nightmare for tall guys. Do you think that it could be taught though? Or you are born with it?
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Old 03-03-2013, 06:39 PM   #28
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It's all about the shoulder roll these days baby
How effective is the shoulder roll against a bob and weave fighter though? Remember the fight Tyson had against Holmes and Holmes tried to shoulder roll and end up getting knocked out? Do you think that is a indication of Holmes just being too old and past prime? Or that Holmes isn't a naturally shoulder roll fighter? Or that the weave is actually superior to the shoulder roll?
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Old 03-03-2013, 06:40 PM   #29
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Tyson tended to use the peek-a-boo style of defense more than the Frazier/Armstrong/Qawi style of bob and weave. That said, your point stands regarding FMJ's method of defending.
But how come the style can't be implemented among the lower weights where it could truly be effective? With so many short fighters trying to move up in weight? For instance do you think Jaun Manuel Marquez will be more successful using the bob and weave against Floyd
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Old 03-03-2013, 06:44 PM   #30
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Do you think it could be taught? Mike Tyson was a 5'10 Heavyweight who knocked out guys 6'3-6'6. I think shorter fighters like Floyd and Pac and Broner will have massive success going up in weight if they implemented the same style. It's a nightmare for tall guys. Do you think that it could be taught though? Or you are born with it?
It's a fighting style, not like punching power or speed that is inborn.

It can be taught, but does the boxer have the reflexes and speed to do it.
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