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Old 03-03-2013, 10:41 PM   #61
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Hey what's up man. I heard of Vasyl but I don't know anything about him other than he's an Olympian. Can you tell me about him? Like should I watch him? Should I become a fan? You say he's good at the bob and weave style?
Your questions make you sound like a troll.. Yes you should watch him, next big thing in boxing. His favourite boxer is Mike Tyson and you can see some of that in his style.

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Old 03-03-2013, 11:47 PM   #62
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Especially the short fighters who want to win higher division titles? That style is a nightmare for tall fighters to go against.
what do u like most to bob&wave into your anus, son ?
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Old 03-04-2013, 03:56 AM   #63
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It has become rather heavily used amongst Ukraine's top amateurs, largely popularized by Lomachenko.

For example Dmytro Mytrofanov destroying Olympic Silver Medal "winner" Fred Evans.

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Old 03-04-2013, 04:20 AM   #64
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It has become rather heavily used amongst Ukraine's top amateurs, largely popularized by Lomachenko.

For example Dmytro Mytrofanov destroying Olympic Silver Medal "winner" Fred Evans.

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Do you know what's happening with Khytrov? I thought he was going to be in the WSB. Also I haven't heard any talk of him going pro with Lomachenko and Usyk later in the year.
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Old 03-04-2013, 12:18 PM   #65
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Do you know what's happening with Khytrov? I thought he was going to be in the WSB. Also I haven't heard any talk of him going pro with Lomachenko and Usyk later in the year.
Not really. I saw a clip of him in a amateur tournament in Kazakhstan a couple weeks ago and he won by bodyshot KO, neither of them were wearing headgear either? Im expecting him to go pro, we'll see.
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Old 03-04-2013, 02:05 PM   #66
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The lightweight boxer at the 2012 olympics Evaldas Petrauskas had an excellent bob and weave style, it was like watching a lightweight Mike Tyson.
That guy was awesome. He looked unlucky to lose his final fight from where I was sitting. Any idea if he plans to go pro?
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Old 03-04-2013, 02:07 PM   #67
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Chisora?
V Helenuis is a great example, Vitali not so much
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Old 03-04-2013, 02:13 PM   #68
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Because most people these days don't know shit about boxing.

Bradley uses it, but Bradley can't punch for shit. If Bradley had improved punching mechanics with KO punches, he would beat Floyd.
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Old 03-04-2013, 02:16 PM   #69
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The bob and weave style is just not as effective as other styles of fighting. If it were, we would see more fighters implementing it PERIOD. There is plenty of tape and still many people who know how to teach such a style. It's a risky style that has proven to be far less effective against superior defensive tactics of the modern era.
Bullshit.

It depends on styles. The best way for a shortman to beat a tall guy is to make himself shorter.

Even Rees had some success against Broner, but styles make fights.

Broner's ability to taking punches, his power, his size, his defense, and his strength, made him a terrible matchup for Rees.
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It's a hard style to pull-off, because it requires a lot of careful training and fitness. THAT's why it's rare in an age where most Western boxers don't come from such harsh backgrounds and have plenty of comfortable opportunities outwith boxing.

In places like Eastern Europe, the Phillippines, Latin America and Africa, you can still find plenty of people from very tough backgrounds who are willing to put in the tremendous work to make styles like the bob-and-weave or stick-and-move work.

The "jab-jab-grab" style is a better alternative for lazy Westerners, especially heavyweights.
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Old 03-04-2013, 02:18 PM   #71
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Because you are coming forward and when you're moving it's harder to see someone else moving relative to you. It also requires higher levels of fitness as it is more fatiguing. Have you seen Vasyl Lomachenko? He bobs and weaves a fair bit, his defence is incredible while he does it. He is the only fighter I've ever seen who can counterpunch as he is moving in.
This was common back in the day. Dempsey used to do this on the regular.

People nowadays for the most part have no idea how to implement styles to beat your opponent.

The entire point of getting low and bobbing and weaving is to make your opponent miss and pay.
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Old 03-04-2013, 02:21 PM   #72
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You rarely see people bob and weave because it's what swarmers do. Swarming is going extinct.

I mean real swarmers who come close to break the body down before shooting for an accumulation stoppage. None of that bullshit where any pressure fighter is incorrectly called a swarmer


It's no coincidence that swarming starting disappearing as things got better for the generation born after 1945, while you basically have to go to the Second/Third worlds to find swamers these days.

Even Chisora really needs to cut at least 10 more pounds before he could be a REALLY dangerous swarmer.
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Old 03-04-2013, 02:27 PM   #73
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It has become rather heavily used amongst Ukraine's top amateurs, largely popularized by Lomachenko.

For example Dmytro Mytrofanov destroying Olympic Silver Medal "winner" Fred Evans.

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Very nice showing. Brutal sustained beatdown. Impressed with the output and head movement, but what really stands out is the accuracy. Oh, and the body work. Holy shit.
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Old 03-04-2013, 02:36 PM   #74
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Because most people these days don't know shit about boxing.

Bradley uses it, but Bradley can't punch for shit. If Bradley had improved punching mechanics with KO punches, he would beat Floyd.
If Bradley was a big puncher. Do you think the style will be more effective ??
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Old 03-04-2013, 02:40 PM   #75
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If Bradley was a big puncher. Do you think the style will be more effective ??
If Bradley was a puncher, he would be a superstar.
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