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Old 03-13-2013, 12:57 AM   #16
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calzaghe would wait until conn was in his 40s to fight him and win a decision.
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Old 03-13-2013, 01:57 AM   #17
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calzaghe would wait until conn was in his 40s to fight him and win a decision.
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Old 03-13-2013, 05:31 AM   #18
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Calzaghe is better than Conn. He throws more punches, hits harder, is harder to hit cleanly with a power punch, has better ring generalship, and is bigger.

Someone needs to tell me why Conn lost as many fights as he did.

No amateur career, learning on the job ,overmatched as a youngster.
Someone needs to tell me how he beat 8 world champions, none of whom were 40 years old. Conn was a great lightheavyweight champion, Calzaghe was not.
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Old 03-13-2013, 05:32 AM   #19
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I really find this underestimation of Calzaghe hilarious but I forgot that on this forum, the older the better. I am sure Jem Mace could have licked them both in a single night.

It would be a close fight but I pick Calzaghe. More speed, better pop in his punches (even RJJ admitted Calzaghe hit hard, much harder than he imagined), and Calzaghe simply has not learned to lose.

That said, Conn beat a lot of very good/great fighters, was durable, quick and in his own way tenacious. I give him a ton of respect. Though, as I argued before, I think the accolades he gets for the first Louis fight are more an apology for Louis fetishists than a true estimation of his accomplishments that night, though that may be a different topic.
More speed? I don't think so.
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Old 03-13-2013, 09:20 AM   #20
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Lol.. Billy was just flat out better
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Old 03-13-2013, 09:46 AM   #21
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I think Calzaghe is getting overrated based on everyone thinking he's underrated.
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Old 03-13-2013, 11:06 AM   #22
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Hard to say, because we donīt have a good amount of footage of Conn at his best.....
Contrary to the common opinion I think Calzaghe is a force H2H.....well, at least against some opponents, I think he wouldnīt be an easy night for anyone, Conn and other greats included.
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Old 03-13-2013, 11:07 AM   #23
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More speed? I don't think so.
Of hands ? I think he had....foot speed belongs to Conn, definitely IMO.
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Old 03-13-2013, 11:23 AM   #24
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Hard to say, because we donīt have a good amount of footage of Conn at his best.....
Contrary to the common opinion I think Calzaghe is a force H2H.....well, at least against some opponents, I think he wouldnīt be an easy night for anyone, Conn and other greats included.
Calzaghe beat 2 lhvy's ,one was near 40, he had won 3 of his last 6, the other was 43, he had won 2 of his last 4.Both floored him.
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Old 03-13-2013, 11:28 AM   #25
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Prime Conn takes a UD...
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Old 03-13-2013, 11:33 AM   #26
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I stick with my estimation from 5 years ago. Calzaghe is too fast, hits harder and follows a game plan much better. He is just much more seamless. Conn could be erratic and gambled with the openings he left. Still, it's closer to a toss up than a sure thing either way.
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Old 03-13-2013, 11:34 AM   #27
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Hard to say, because we donīt have a good amount of footage of Conn at his best.....
Contrary to the common opinion I think Calzaghe is a force H2H.....well, at least against some opponents, I think he wouldnīt be an easy night for anyone, Conn and other greats included.
Agreed, he doesn't get kudos on the Classic because like Mayweather he cherry picked, didn't take that many risks and had a fear of losing. But like Mayweather he was very dominant, bar a couple of close fights. Dominance and performances like he'd give show he was 1 of the elites in history from 168-175 in my view. I think most boxers recognise that he was very very good. Stamina wise maybe 1 of the best ever.

BTW Calzaghe also had pretty fast feet when younger and even past prime.
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Old 03-13-2013, 11:35 AM   #28
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Calzaghe beat 2 lhvy's ,one was near 40, he had won 3 of his last 6, the other was 43, he had won 2 of his last 4.Both floored him.
Yes, I know that....he beat Jones clearly but IMO Hopkins won the fight to be fair, but I think that wasnīt the best version of Calzaghe either...
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Yes, I know that....he beat Jones clearly but IMO Hopkins won the fight to be fair, but I think that wasnīt the best version of Calzaghe either...
Hopkins did not win that fight. Even those at ringside thought Calzaghe won it going away.
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Old 03-13-2013, 11:49 AM   #30
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Hopkins did not win that fight. Even those at ringside thought Calzaghe won it going away.
I have to agree 100%.

As for Calzaghe-Conn, can you explain why you think Conn's performance, even in loss against Louis, was overrated? It seems like a career-defining performance to me in that he went up in weight to face one of the top 5 all-time heavyweights, and frankly, outboxed him for most of the fight. This was prime Louis too.
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