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View Poll Results: Bernard Hopkins vs Marvin Hagler
Hagler by KO 2 10.00%
Hagler on points 11 55.00%
Hopkins by KO 0 0%
Hopkins on points 7 35.00%
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:40 AM   #91
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No pal, just reality. And not buying into the hype ... Love how you guys love to say,`Hagler was hurt` ... Even though your talking about a guy who fought any and all comers and never hit the deck. And because I and some others, don`t agree with your point of view, I wear rose colored glasses ??? It`s typical , Hagler wasn`t given a shot for years he TRULY earned it. And no alphabet titles for him, the real deal. And he still doesn`t get the proper respect.
It's not 1982 anymore, Hagler gets all the respect he deserves and rightly so. He's much loved and respected by modern boxing fans more so then even SRL and Hearns. People appreciate his long hard journey to the top and doing things the hard way. As a MW Hagler is ahead of Hopkins in a ATG sense atleast in my opinion anyway i'd say Hagler is top 3 while Hopkins at best is top 5 BUT in a h2h prime for prime fight people recognise Hopkins brings the ring IQ and phyiscal tools to defeat Hagler but that doesn't diminish Haglers greatness.

For example personally speaking I rank Hopkins higher then Jones in a general ATG sense but h2h i'd give Hopkins no more then a 20% chance to beat Jones prime for prime.
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:57 AM   #92
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Jones achieved more than Hopkins ever did. As an added bonus he gave Hopkins a nice loss
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Old 03-13-2013, 08:17 AM   #93
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Jones achieved more than Hopkins ever did. As an added bonus he gave Hopkins a nice loss
Bollox.
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Old 03-13-2013, 08:21 AM   #94
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Jones top5 wins are better than Hopkins, Hopkins has more depth/longevity. Jones peak ability was a couple of level above Hopkins though.
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Old 03-13-2013, 08:29 AM   #95
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It's not 1982 anymore, Hagler gets all the respect he deserves and rightly so. He's much loved and respected by modern boxing fans more so then even SRL and Hearns. People appreciate his long hard journey to the top and doing things the hard way. As a MW Hagler is ahead of Hopkins in a ATG sense atleast in my opinion anyway i'd say Hagler is top 3 while Hopkins at best is top 5 BUT in a h2h prime for prime fight people recognise Hopkins brings the ring IQ and phyiscal tools to defeat Hagler but that doesn't diminish Haglers greatness.

For example personally speaking I rank Hopkins higher then Jones in a general ATG sense but h2h i'd give Hopkins no more then a 20% chance to beat Jones prime for prime.
Thanks for sharing that different way of looking at it, makes sense... I would still favor Hagler head to head with Hop (my opinion) But, I also get that what BHop brings to the table is a tough nut to crack as well ... The Jones/BHop comparison makes a lot of sense as well. While we might rate BHop over RJJ in terms of ATG status. I pick prime RJJ over BHop each and every time head to head. His speed and being able to pick hopkins apart would always be too much for Hopkins ...You could make the case that prime RJJ, would be too much for everyone at 160. But, that`s a whole other post !
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Old 03-13-2013, 08:41 AM   #96
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Jones top5 wins are better than Hopkins, Hopkins has more depth/longevity. Jones peak ability was a couple of level above Hopkins though.
PowerPuncher, you still see Jones over Hopkins, prime for prime as well ? I still see it that way. the thing with Hopkins is, that he has been still taking names over all these years. So he really makes a case for himself climbing the ATG ladder just because he`s still here and he`s still doing it. It is an amazing run, without a doubt !
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I think he'd be playing into Hopkins hands by going after him.
Marvin wouldn't go after him he would go in and out and pressure Hopkins but not allow Bernard to set the pace...people forget Marvin had fast hands and good boxing ability and good legs...he did know how to destroy but usually with a boxing attack (the Hearns FIGHTS WAS unique )...Marvin wouldn't fall into B-Hops trap and B-hop would not flash and flurry and steal like Leonard
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Old 03-13-2013, 01:48 PM   #98
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Leonard didn't steal rounds, he earned 'em.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:43 PM   #99
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Don't tell me you two believe the ray Leonard hype. What a cherry picker. Benitez was totally washed up. I'm pretty sure he never won a fight again. And Hearns and Duran: overtrained and undertrained. I know for a fact that Ray snuck into Durans camp before new orleans disguised with a handle bar mustache as a tortilla vendor, feeding Duran gorditas day after day. The day before no mas he gave him a high powered laxative. Hearns was forced to come in that light; you think he wanted to? Anyway the stoppage was bs just like against Benitez. Don't get me started on the Hagler fight. Giant ring, making Hagler come out orthodox, making Hagler burn himself out while Ray remained fresh not fighting, and then when Hagler was thought to be done coming out of retirement and stealing rounds with nothing punches. Had Ray not asked, at the end of the 12th that the fight be rescheduled who do you think wins?

Yeah Ray earned it.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:48 PM   #100
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Just have to disagree that Hopkins was quicker of hand than Duran at MW.
I can't take your arguement serious with this at all. It isn't close.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:51 PM   #101
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Hagler went into the Duran fight with a counterpunching, conservative strategy, which Duran refused to fall into, which created somewhat of a stand-off There would be no such strategy against the taller Hopkins.
You obviously meant to say that Duran went into the Hagler fight with counter-punching, conservative strategy, which Hagler did fall into.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:58 PM   #102
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Marvin wouldn't go after him he would go in and out and pressure Hopkins but not allow Bernard to set the pace...people forget Marvin had fast hands and good boxing ability and good legs...he did know how to destroy but usually with a boxing attack
Yep. That would be the best fight plan.
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Old 03-13-2013, 06:15 PM   #103
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Some very nice posts in this thread.
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Old 03-13-2013, 08:23 PM   #104
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PowerPuncher, you still see Jones over Hopkins, prime for prime as well ? I still see it that way. the thing with Hopkins is, that he has been still taking names over all these years. So he really makes a case for himself climbing the ATG ladder just because he`s still here and he`s still doing it. It is an amazing run, without a doubt !
it is...but jones was still FAR better a fighter than hopkins in his prime, beat him h2h and owned (for a time) 3 seperate divisions with a title at heavyweight being icing on the cake.

hopkins has a case for being ahead, but so does jones
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I think that Hopkins rates higher than Jones as an ATG.
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