Froch on Ringside

[PaulieMc]

Froch says some douchey things but at the end of the day he's like Floyd Mayweather for me. He's been so successful and achieved so much that he can pretty much be as arrogant as he likes because he's earnt the right after fighting so many top opponents and having to put up with not getting the rewards and respect he deserved for it for so long.

This "warrior" talk is annoying I grant but I also agree with Beeston Brawler, he's just very straight. No BS whatsoever from him, he's a 100% honest when he speaks whether you agree with him or not. He goes overboard when it comes to praising himself but when he criticises other fighters he's always bang on in my opinion.

He'd make a good pundit when he's retired IMO.

[Dece Bal]

Originally Posted by icemax

Read his book, he's thick

[BoxingAnalyst]

Originally Posted by icemax

He might be smug but he actually smiles and laughs....Froch is just a humourless cunt, I actually think that he surpasses Khan in the thick stakes

Froch clearly isn't thick, he just has an ego the size of his nose, but he's actually a smart guy.

[flatulent_bob]

Originally Posted by BoxingAnalyst

Froch clearly isn't thick, he just has an ego the size of his nose, but he's actually a smart guy.

To be fair its comparative within the sport.
Cleverly is considered some kind of genius for squeaking a 2:1 in Maths from Cardiff Uni. With that in mind maybe Froch is smart, in normal society though I really wouldn't consider him as such.
A smart person would have found a different synonym for "warrior" by now if you just had to use it in every interview.

[ero-sennin]

Originally Posted by dftaylor

Ricky actually beat The Man in his division, who was also a first-ballot hall of famer. His two losses came to the best guys he faced, who were also the best fighters in the world.

Froch lost to a worn-down, twice beaten Kessler and to (an admittedly elite) Ward, as well as a contentious win over Andre Dirrell.

Ricky is MILES ahead of Froch.

Been on the vodka again, df?

in all seriousness, you can make an argument for Hatton being ahead based on record, but there's not a lot in it. It's very close IMO and I agree with Beeston that apart from the Zoo win, the rest of his record isn't too hot. It's close. I'm probably leaning towards Froch, but only just.

Originally Posted by RICKY BALBOA

Looking a little deeper than simply saying "Froch is arrogant", I do think that perhaps Froch still carries feelings of injustice from the point of view that he has never got anywhere near the respect, profile and adulation of the British public that his resume should command.

I can't think of any British fighter that has had the run of opponents he's faced one after another meshed with the fact those fights were on foreign soil all over the world. Where as a boxer like Joe Calzaghe has defended his WBO belt against fighters no where near the calibre of opposition Froch faced, is well engrained in the British psyche.

And even though Froch has been with Eddie Hearn since the Glen Johnson fight, I still feel that Froch feels like he has to squeeze every moment of air-time to make up for the time he was totally under the radar where as if he'd have had the profile he'd deserved as his career progressed, he may well be a little bit more laid back than he comes across.

So all things considered I do think his scenario is quite unique.

It's true that he isn't the star that he could have been, but a lot of that is down to himself. People can blame Hennesy and what not, but personality counts for a lot, and Froch's hurts him. Hatton's man of the people, jack the lad persona might be a bit too much for some people, but he smiles, he laughs at himself, he does stand up comedy, he drinks guiness, he eats kebabs and gets fat, etc. People like that. Froch on the other hand is a self proclaimed "consummate professional". He mostly comes across as bitter and up himself. Calzaghe was a shy guy and not easy to promote either.

As for his record, I agree he's faced a lot of quality opponents in succession, which is rare these days, but when you examine his record, it's not as good as some would have you believe. Calzaghe isn't the most popular guy on this forum, and it's understandable. However, when you look at it objectively, not only is he a superior fighter (which most acknowledge) but his record is also superior to Froch's. Not many Froch fans/JC haters will admit this, but it's true. The B-hop win is better than anything on Froch's record. So is the Kessler win. Then you've got guys like Eubank and Reid. Froch deserves credit for his run of opponents, but you can't forget the fact that he lost against both kessler and Ward. People trash Hatton for losing to Mayweather and Pac because he got knocked out, but Froch seems to get props just for facing Kessler and Ward, even though he lost. Calzaghe gets stick, but Froch will likely finish his career with an inferior record to him. You have to respect his run of opponents, and you can say his attitude is better than JC's, but he's second best when it comes to record.

[HOF]

Originally Posted by ero-sennin

As for his record, I agree he's faced a lot of quality opponents in succession, which is rare these days, but when you examine his record, it's not as good as some would have you believe. Calzaghe isn't the most popular guy on this forum, and it's understandable. However, when you look at it objectively, not only is he a superior fighter (which most acknowledge) but his record is also superior to Froch's. Not many Froch fans/JC haters will admit this, but it's true. The B-hop win is better than anything on Froch's record. So is the Kessler win. Then you've got guys like Eubank and Reid. Froch deserves credit for his run of opponents, but you can't forget the fact that he lost against both kessler and Ward. Calzaghe gets stick, but Froch will likely finish his career with an inferior record to him. You have to respect his run of opponents, and you can say his attitude is better than JC's, but he's second best when it comes to record.

Agree. Jermain Taylor, Abraham, Pascal, Bute, Andre Dirrell

In this list, you have 2 career middleweights (Taylor, Abraham), a fighter (Bute) who was saved by the ref after being out on his feet in his hometown against a fighter (Andrade) who Kessler had previously treated like a rag doll, and the Dirrell fight in which Froch was made to look clumsy and which some thought he'd lost. And in Pascal a fighter who Hopkins was doing press-ups in between rounds against after Calzaghe had previously had Hopkins needing an oxygen tank in their fight. The only fighter Froch has faced that is superior to any Calzaghe faced is Ward.

[Chinny]

Originally Posted by flatulent_bob

To be fair its comparative within the sport.
Cleverly is considered some kind of genius for squeaking a 2:1 in Maths from Cardiff Uni. With that in mind maybe Froch is smart, in normal society though I really wouldn't consider him as such.
A smart person would have found a different synonym for "warrior" by now if you just had to use it in every interview.

Nathan actually got a Desmond Tutu

[BigDave]

As far as I can see Froch has secured a ppv and the zeitgeist has swung against him. He can be smug and cheesy, true, but he's backed up nearly all of his 'mouth' down the years. On the latest ringside he was sound imo, stuck to the build up line about Kessler, respect shown and tbf that fucking ash cloud was fairly massive. If a fighter thinks that disruption was enough to swing a close fight in an opponents home country, well, i've heard many worse excuses. He wasn't entirely dismissive of Groves and De Gale either, until the fighter in him boasted that he'd smash them both, with his style and skills he'd not have progressed anywhere without confidence!
For years he's had people telling him how he could have been earning more with so-and-so, should be a mainstream name e.t.c. The guy has been committed to achieving things in the ring, which he has done in abundance. Thick? he had made himself good money away from the ring before even picking up the big pay-cheques.
As for the 'warrior' thing, its hyping the fight no? Jeez, most people don't watch every interview a boxer does, it's no different to politicians dropping soundbites in at every opportunity to massage the press reports.

[SMS Employee]

Originally Posted by PaulieMc

Froch says some douchey things but at the end of the day he's like Floyd Mayweather for me. He's been so successful and achieved so much that he can pretty much be as arrogant as he likes because he's earnt the right after fighting so many top opponents and having to put up with not getting the rewards and respect he deserved for it for so long.

This "warrior" talk is annoying I grant but I also agree with Beeston Brawler, he's just very straight. No BS whatsoever from him, he's a 100% honest when he speaks whether you agree with him or not. He goes overboard when it comes to praising himself but when he criticises other fighters he's always bang on in my opinion.

He'd make a good pundit when he's retired IMO.

at the mayweather comparison, he's a good fighter who's achieved good things but is definitely overrated. Floyd is the best, Carl was the 3rd best fighter in the division at its peak. Oh and he won't make a good pundit as he can't bring himself to give another fighter outside the matchroom stable any credit.

[thistle1]

Froch is just telling people straight because for years 'they' wouldn't give him the credit and he always had to take a back seat to JC.

So now he just reminds people of what he's accomplished and won't let them forget it, and he'll say still and rightfully so because even now some would still refuse him the dignity he desreves.

Froch & Calzaghe are British boxing's modern day Gilroy, McAvoy. One better than the other, one 'probably' better than the other and that one always refused the merit deserved him.

[Elyblueaj]

Carl is so arrogant and patronising. The way he was saying how he has lead the way for people like Ricky(burns) and that no one will ever fight the calibre of fighters back to back like he did.

Fair do's he has done well, but if he had an ounce of modesty I'm sure he'd be liked a lot more

[I Shot JR]

A new record was set when he managed to shoehorn the word "warrior" into a sentence four times in three seconds.

[SkillspayBills]

Had to laugh when Froch tweeted something like ''Catch me on Sky Sports tonight from 8pm giving my expert opinion on the fights''.

The warrior stuff is a persona he's built for himself like Broner with his persona and Ortiz being a tree and Mayweather a cash cow. Froch feeds off this warrior stuff i think it boosts him in fights he's really bought into the gladiatorial part of the sport.

I find him funny TBH. I think he knows how it comes across and is comfortable in own skin and isn't worried about upsetting people. If he's asked something he answers it and he calls it how he sees it.

Khan's Khan what else can you say about the lad. All the wrong things go into that brain from Arrogance to stupidity to pride.

Haye to me is a guy with the model looks, the swagger and the fighting ability but as big a star fighter as he is. I think he's a little aloof and laid back and i think as much as he tries he's not the wittiest of guys in terms of sharpness he takes his time with his banter. Lot of his works done with set ups and well thought out plans. Anything he does off the cuff is often dead pan.

I would rather talk to Froch then the other two personally. I think by way people i know have spoke is a guy who interacts well and is just a normal fella who can fight and has head screwed on financially.

Froch can continue his warrior talk. He is what he says he is when he says that word.

[USA Rob]

Are some of you guys trying to downplay Froch's resume because you don't like his personality or Sky. Shame on you!

[Scotty321]

Froch is a dick. He didn't fight anyone of note till he was in his 30's yet he blasts guys in their 20's who have achieved a lot more than he had at that age.