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Old 03-31-2013, 07:12 PM   #31
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Pavlik vs. GGG would have been great. I would favor Kelly.
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Old 03-31-2013, 07:12 PM   #32
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Dirrell won by like a point, 17-16 or so. It was in Mississippi at a U.S./Kazakhstan duel meet. Dirrell got some home cooking from the judges.
15-14 but yeah pretty much

Kelly Pavlik was just naturally bigger than GGG and its too early to tell given the fact that GGG is being avoided but soon well be able to make a better judgement

Despite GGG looking small for a middleweight and Pavlik being huge, Golovkin seemingly has more power, can actually cut off the ring and may have a better chin as ive yet to see him blink from a punch
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Old 03-31-2013, 07:45 PM   #33
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I think GGG is more skilled, Pavlik was limited but he was consistent, GGG has the more varied offense, better bodywork, better combinations, better timing and accuracy and better at setting up his shots.
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Old 03-31-2013, 07:51 PM   #34
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Golovkin didn't improve since amateurs. You'll see. Pavlik in his prime was a serious contender.
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Old 03-31-2013, 08:56 PM   #35
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Default Re: Kelly Pavlik was wayyyy better than GGG

GGG is smaller but seems to be more powerful than Pavlik....

it is BECAUSE he is a better punch technician than Pavlik

Pavlik was just a basic puncher, thats all there is to it. He had to get set, and throw his 1 -2. And he didnt have good defense either. A top caliber opponent will mitigate his Right and keep turning him, and he'll never get off and end up over-reaching...

He's pretty lucky Ward injured himself cuz he'd suffer a most humiliating defeat at the end of his career. He was a 1 trick pony in his prime, and that even went away out of prime...
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Old 03-31-2013, 09:26 PM   #36
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Pavlik wasn't necessarily more skilled, he still required a bit of range to go for his big shots, his size was more what he went out there with at 160 to impose.
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Old 04-01-2013, 04:47 AM   #37
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There was no one at MW more powerful than Pavlik. When Pavlik hit you, it was over. GGG is a better boxer and could hit you in more ways, but punch for punch it is Pavlik.
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Old 04-01-2013, 09:57 AM   #38
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There was no one at MW more powerful than Pavlik. When Pavlik hit you, it was over. GGG is a better boxer and could hit you in more ways, but punch for punch it is Pavlik.


You mean post-millennium?
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Old 04-01-2013, 10:30 AM   #39
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There was no one at MW more powerful than Pavlik. When Pavlik hit you, it was over. GGG is a better boxer and could hit you in more ways, but punch for punch it is Pavlik.
Punch for punch, AA was better than Pavlik already.
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Punch for punch, AA was better than Pavlik already.
I really wish they had more 160lb opponents who could tell us which right hand was harder.
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Old 04-01-2013, 10:41 AM   #41
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I really wish they had more 160lb opponents who could tell us which right hand was harder.
Yeah that really sucks ... That being said I still feel AA was a bigger ONE PUNCH ko artist than Pavlik.
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Old 04-01-2013, 01:29 PM   #42
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C'mon now, you are making it sound as if GGG is some kind of Jeff Lacy or Samuel Peter. Looks crude and unshakeable and knocks everyone out. Sure, time will tell and GGG's resume is not very thick yet. But a true boxing fan knows a good thing when he sees it.

To me Golovkin is Tszyu 2.0. Same murderous punch and stalking. Also short for his weight. They even both have some Korean blood in them! But Golovkin is not as stocky as Tszyu was, he is lighter on his feet, with better workrate. He also thinks every second of the fight and never throws a wild punch.

Lemieux was a spoiled kid compared to Golovkin. Got everything handed to him, fell in love with his own power knocking opponents down and out one after another. Had his home crowd behind him every time he fought. Didn't know what to do when he had a seasoned vet in front of him who stayed in the fight. I wonder what would have happened if Lemieux faced the Ouma Golovkin faced? And who hands things on a plate to a guy from Kazakhstan in the US?

Hopefully Geale, Martinez, Quillin and Chavez won't be able to run forever. I would hate for Golovkin to move up to 168 before he cleans up middleweight.
tszyu had great footwork.

as for a true boxing fan, ill wait to pass judgement on ggg until he steps up his competition...to this point really no fault of his won.
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