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View Poll Results: Does Ali/Ali's corners blatant use of banned substances to recover damage his legacy?
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Old 04-06-2013, 06:28 AM   #61
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Ali would not be able to compete with Haye. Modern Nutritious and Training Techniques would be too much for Ali. Ali would be a Cruisierweight, Haye would be too fast & big for him.
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Old 04-06-2013, 06:46 AM   #62
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Ali would not be able to compete with Haye. Modern Nutritious and Training Techniques would be too much for Ali. Ali would be a Cruisierweight, Haye would be too fast & big for him.
Yeh your right modern training methods such as glassing people would prove too much for Ali, is that the same David Haye who got destroyed by an old cruiserweight who in turn had life and death battles with a tiny super middleweight???
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You don't know why he stood up so your just assuming. His legs sure as hell didn't show that he was semi conscious. What makes you think he'd have been kod if he hadn't had been given the salts?
I'm sure that I got it right but even if I'm just assuming, the bottom line is he used an illegal substance when hurt and then won the fight. To think that he would have won either way is just assuming. When a fighter gets caught using a banned substance, he loses by DQ, period.
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Old 04-06-2013, 07:03 AM   #64
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Yeh your right modern training methods such as glassing people would prove too much for Ali, is that the same David Haye who got destroyed by an old cruiserweight who in turn had life and death battles with a tiny super middleweight???
Destroyed?

Haye being the good man that he is was giving Thompson a retirement check to live in peace. What a wonderful man. The Frank Sinatra of this era.
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Old 04-06-2013, 07:04 AM   #65
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I'm sure that I got it right but even if I'm just assuming, the bottom line is he used an illegal substance when hurt and then won the fight. To think that he would have won either way is just assuming. When a fighter gets caught using a banned substance, he loses by DQ, period.
George Foreman should have been DQ in the Ron Lyle fight, Gil Clancy clearly uses smelling salts at the end of the 4th round. These so called peds have been used numerous times without people noticing!!
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Old 04-06-2013, 07:08 AM   #66
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George Foreman should have been DQ in the Ron Lyle fight, Gil Clancy clearly uses smelling salts at the end of the 4th round. These so called peds have been used numerous times without people noticing!!
I never heard of that, if that's true the fight should become a nc too.
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I never heard of that, if that's true the fight should become a nc too.
Go ahead and watch it, you never heard of it because its not as important as you think
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George Foreman should have been DQ in the Ron Lyle fight, Gil Clancy clearly uses smelling salts at the end of the 4th round. These so called peds have been used numerous times without people noticing!!
I know there were times and places when smelling salts were legal to use so maybe that was the case in the Foreman - Lyle fight (if not, it should have been a DQ as well). I don't understand people accepting dirty tactics in boxing. It's a sport, it has rules and they should be enforced, it's as simple as that.
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Ali would not be able to compete with Haye. Modern Nutritious and Training Techniques would be too much for Ali. Ali would be a Cruisierweight, Haye would be too fast & big for him.
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It's extra funny because Ali and Haye are pretty equal in dimensions and Haye is one of the shittiest finishers there is at high level.
He couldn't even finish Fraudley that effectively.

Haye his only 3 "true" KO wins comes from a blown up lhw bum, a cruiser bum and Alexander Gurov who had been KO'd in 1 before and is a glass jaw.

Haye would get stopped against Ali.

Even if Haye scored a lucky flush hit, Ali would just tie him up.
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I'm getting used to this.
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It's extra funny because Ali and Haye are pretty equal in dimensions and Haye is one of the shittiest finishers there is at high level.
He couldn't even finish Fraudley that effectively.

Haye his only 3 "true" KO wins comes from a blown up lhw bum, a cruiser bum and Alexander Gurov who had been KO'd in 1 before and is a glass jaw.

Haye would get stopped against Ali.

Even if Haye scored a lucky flush hit, Ali would just tie him up.
Haye's punching power is overrated and as a finisher he flaps worse than Valero.
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Imagine if Haye was from the US, he would be the second coming of Ali.
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Imagine if Haye was from the US, he would be the second coming of Ali.
Doubt it.
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Old 04-06-2013, 09:44 AM   #75
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Haye's punching power is overrated and as a finisher he flaps worse than Valero.
Best prove of Haye his shitty finishing might be the Ruiz fight.
Only Haye can knock a guy down 2 times in the first round once in the 5th, once in the 6th and then after 3 rounds of even more rabbit punching finally let the ref do a mercy stoppage.
And Ruiz was truly ancient.

It's just sad for Haye.
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