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Old 03-31-2013, 02:16 PM   #316
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One side of me agrees with you,but I work with Sports People across the Board. My Feedback tells a different story.
Maybe we agree to disagree on this Scrap & to clarify IMO from a boxing POV a bad contract can mean going from being underpaid to overmatched to signing future rights away all at a %.With no real safety net to the fighter.

The cost of a bad night at the office boxing wise has more repercussions than most other sports hence the need to trust the people that look after you.You make valid points also.
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Anyway decent story about a missed $1 dolllar purse with the fighter totally to blame.

1982 Roberto Duran is coming off the back of a UD loss against Benitez the plan being get him a decent tune up fight at WW & get him a rematch at LMW v Benitez.

There was lots of fighting about Duran going on outside the ring both King & Arum courting a fighter that at the time could sell tickets in a empty room massive large,loyal fanbase.

A few names were tossed about & a chance call by DK to Mickey Duff brang up the name Kirkland Laing.King & Duran's team gave it the ok.

Laing's nickname was the gifted one & was supremley talented often he beat himself by his womanising,gambling & his love for marijuana.You would say he was one of the best British fighters never to win a world title the differnce being self inflicted.

Laing took the fight told both Duff & his trainer Joe Ryan 'You will see the best of me this is the first fighter i am scared of!'

The fight went ahead Laing fought the fight of his life winning a SD that was not even close.No argument from Duran he knew the better man on the night won.

The aftermarth Laing had oppt lined up against Milton McCrory or Donald Curry up to $1m purse. Laing went missing for 6 months his ship then sailed.In the same year Duran made a conservative $3m+ dollars.

Don King at that point fell out with Mickey Duff claiming he had been in his own words 'had over' he never spoke to Duff for nearly four years after that cue the irony.
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Anyway decent story about a missed $1 dolllar purse with the fighter totally to blame.

1982 Roberto Duran is coming off the back of a UD loss against Benitez the plan being get him a decent tune up fight at WW & get him a rematch at LMW v Benitez.

There was lots of fighting about Duran going on outside the ring both King & Arum courting a fighter that at the time could sell tickets in a empty room massive large,loyal fanbase.

A few names were tossed about & a chance call by DK to Mickey Duff brang up the name Kirkland Laing.King & Duran's team gave it the ok.

Laing's nickname was the gifted one & was supremley talented often he beat himself by his womanising,gambling & his love for marijuana.You would say he was one of the best British fighters never to win a world title the differnce being self inflicted.

Laing took the fight told both Duff & his trainer Joe Ryan 'You will see the best of me this is the first fighter i am scared of!'

The fight went ahead Laing fought the fight of his life winning a SD that was not even close.No argument from Duran he knew the better man on the night won.

The aftermarth Laing had oppt lined up against Milton McCrory or Donald Curry up to $1m purse. Laing went missing for 6 months his ship then sailed.In the same year Duran made a conservative $3m+ dollars.

Don King at that point fell out with Mickey Duff claiming he had been in his own words 'had over' he never spoke to Duff for nearly four years after that cue the irony.
All True. what a character.
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Dempsey,
What do you make of Price being put back in with Thompson without a tune up real gamble for me.
One thing Maloney has had to pay Thompson very well to get the re-match & should Price lose he really is in no mans land.
Interesting read for those that are interested google boxers fight purses couldn't be sure the figures are correct on all fights but has several sources quoting the same figures.
Will open a few eyes some of the PPV revenue figures are so big wouldn't register as an overseas phone number!
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:04 PM   #320
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Dempsey,
What do you make of Price being put back in with Thompson without a tune up real gamble for me.
One thing Maloney has had to pay Thompson very well to get the re-match & should Price lose he really is in no mans land.
Interesting read for those that are interested google boxers fight purses couldn't be sure the figures are correct on all fights but has several sources quoting the same figures.
Will open a few eyes some of the PPV revenue figures are so big wouldn't register as an overseas phone number!
Price - Thompson re-match
Here is where an experienced hand is needed, all around.

The Promoter:
From a promoters POV it's a sellable fight.
The Promoter is thinking that he can make a big score on this rematch.
Or the Promoter might be thinking, I need to know if Price is going somewhere or not.
Or the promoter has lost confidence in Price in by putting him in may want to cash Price out.
Or he actually believes in Price and that it was a fluke.

An experienced guy:
An experienced hand would think, I have chinny guy who has potential and who has a huge fight in the future vs Fury. Why risk that to fight a guy nobody cares about, it's a thankless fight, you beat him so what, you were supposed to beat him in the first place.

The fan's:
would want to see him fight Thompson again they wont want to support Price fighting a clubfighter.


The Fighter:
He's out to prove that it was a lucky shot
His fighting heart is bigger then his brain

The Manager:
Wants Thompson again to prove to the world that Price has the goods
Wants to keep the monster payday of a Fury fight alive


An experienced hand:
Is it wise to toss the dice on Price's career?
Two HOF fighters come to mind, Jack Dempsey and Joe Louis.
Jack Dempsey vs Fireman Jim Flynn.
In the first fight Flynn ko'd Dempsey in one rd. It's been said Dempsey took a dive, whatever it was it was a year later Dempsey flattened Flynn in one rd.

Joe Louis vs Max Schmeling
Schmeling stopped Louis in their first fight almost two years later Louis avenged the loss.
Neither Louis nor Dempsey jumped back into the ring with the guy that beat them. Could be a lesson here.
I know it's a reach, I've seen Price and I seen the Thompson fight and aaah..........

M thanks for that google search, dang I found Muhamad Ali fight by fight purses from his pro debut, do yourself a favor google boxers fight purses, ck it out. Talk about the slave wages and chump change, dang.
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what was the best site you had for finding purses? most im finding are just articles
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what was the best site you had for finding purses? most im finding are just articles
Ya know you cant mention other sites on this forum. It's there ck out Muhamad Ali's fight by fight purses. You might try Muhamad Ali fight purses.
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Anyway decent story about a missed $1 dolllar purse with the fighter totally to blame.

1982 Roberto Duran is coming off the back of a UD loss against Benitez the plan being get him a decent tune up fight at WW & get him a rematch at LMW v Benitez.

There was lots of fighting about Duran going on outside the ring both King & Arum courting a fighter that at the time could sell tickets in a empty room massive large,loyal fanbase.

A few names were tossed about & a chance call by DK to Mickey Duff brang up the name Kirkland Laing.King & Duran's team gave it the ok.

Laing's nickname was the gifted one & was supremley talented often he beat himself by his womanising,gambling & his love for marijuana.You would say he was one of the best British fighters never to win a world title the differnce being self inflicted.

Laing took the fight told both Duff & his trainer Joe Ryan 'You will see the best of me this is the first fighter i am scared of!'

The fight went ahead Laing fought the fight of his life winning a SD that was not even close.No argument from Duran he knew the better man on the night won.

The aftermarth Laing had oppt lined up against Milton McCrory or Donald Curry up to $1m purse. Laing went missing for 6 months his ship then sailed.In the same year Duran made a conservative $3m+ dollars.

Don King at that point fell out with Mickey Duff claiming he had been in his own words 'had over' he never spoke to Duff for nearly four years after that cue the irony.
M great story, knew Micky well, in private he told the funniest story's and jokes it was good knowing him.
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:01 AM   #324
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Update on Price - Thompson II, Lennox Lewis has advised Price to fight Thompson again. Like I said if he win's who cares over a guy who he should have beaten in the first place. The guy was hit with a half ass right hook from a old tired 40+ used up fighter and for icing on the cake Thompson was never a one punch guy.
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M great story, knew Micky well, in private he told the funniest story's and jokes it was good knowing him.
So you didnt do Business with Him .
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Here is a tale of how sometimes opportunity knocks a fighter staying in shape & a manager staying by his phone.

The Cinderella Man guess most of us have seen the film & know the story of James Braddock v Max Baer.Baer a great fighter big punch & had been involved in ring tragedies fair to say his family were not too impressed with the hollywood version.....no not that version the welsh one.

Rueben Palacios v John Davison WBO FWGT title fight 17/04/93.Check weight's done physical medicals completed however the fight is called off two days prior.Title vacated.

Routine blood checks & Palacios has failed a HIV test,stripped of his title & back on a plane to Columbia.He never fights again dead by 40 & within a year of the fight being called off doing 4 years for drug trafficking in the USA things change quickly.

The fight due to be on tv tickets have been sold & a opponent needed last minute or not.Calls were made & as you read down the rankings fighters are turning it down.No suprise why two days notice,fighters are overweight & purse demands that had no chance of being met.

Dai Gardner takes a call & the promoters are desperate he manages Steve Robinson at the time 13w-9d-1 draw.Robinson had taken short notice fights before always in shape weight no issue & working as a storeman part-time at Debenhams in Cardiff for 50 a week the money is very welcome.Two days notice WBO title where do we sign?

Robinson wins a SD.Davison a real heavy favourite interviewed years later said 'My head was gone 3 times the Palacios fight was on & off just couldn't peak again but the money was great 40k & Robinson went on to be a worthy champ good luck to him'.

Indeed he was & made seven defences beating some very good opponents in McMillan(who had lost the title to Palacios),Hodkinson & Duke McKenzie fitness & workrate getting him through at times.Training full time made all the difference he said.

He was eventually beaten by Prince Naseem in 1995.He also said in retirement he took that fight on just over 3 weeks notice as he was on honeymoon!The money was good & being the welsh Cinderella Man the opportunity just too good to turn down.
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Here is a tale of how sometimes opportunity knocks a fighter staying in shape & a manager staying by his phone.

The Cinderella Man guess most of us have seen the film & know the story of James Braddock v Max Baer.Baer a great fighter big punch & had been involved in ring tragedies fair to say his family were not too impressed with the hollywood version.....no not that version the welsh one.

Rueben Palacios v John Davison WBO FWGT title fight 17/04/93.Check weight's done physical medicals completed however the fight is called off two days prior.Title vacated.

Routine blood checks & Palacios has failed a HIV test,stripped of his title & back on a plane to Columbia.He never fights again dead by 40 & within a year of the fight being called off doing 4 years for drug trafficking in the USA things change quickly.

The fight due to be on tv tickets have been sold & a opponent needed last minute or not.Calls were made & as you read down the rankings fighters are turning it down.No suprise why two days notice,fighters are overweight & purse demands that had no chance of being met.

Dai Gardner takes a call & the promoters are desperate he manages Steve Robinson at the time 13w-9d-1 draw.Robinson had taken short notice fights before always in shape weight no issue & working as a storeman part-time at Debenhams in Cardiff for 50 a week the money is very welcome.Two days notice WBO title where do we sign?

Robinson wins a SD.Davison a real heavy favourite interviewed years later said 'My head was gone 3 times the Palacios fight was on & off just couldn't peak again but the money was great 40k & Robinson went on to be a worthy champ good luck to him'.

Indeed he was & made seven defences beating some very good opponents in McMillan(who had lost the title to Palacios),Hodkinson & Duke McKenzie fitness & workrate getting him through at times.Training full time made all the difference he said.

He was eventually beaten by Prince Naseem in 1995.He also said in retirement he took that fight on just over 3 weeks notice as he was on honeymoon!The money was good & being the welsh Cinderella Man the opportunity just too good to turn down.
M, keep searching your head for more of these, you could tell a fighter stay in shape cos you never know, but for the most part it goes in one ear out the other and no stops in between. This story makes that point without the constant drone of the coach trying to crack the whip trying to get you in the gym. Robinson was really an unlikely guy I didnt know the background of how he got the shot.

Guys ya never know in boxing there are always fights falling out for one reason or the other. Have your manager or you yourself contact every single matchmaker, promoter even commissioner anybody that can get you work(fights). You get yourself ready so that you don't go in as an opponent in halfass shape, GIVE YOURSELF a chance to spring a surprise. Put it in your mind that this is an opportunity, grab it with both hands and hold on tight.
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Terrance Crawford comes into my mind recently who snatched his chance and impressed lots of people in the Rios Vs Alvarado 2 undercard.

Ok it wasnt a championship fight or anything but he really made the best out of his chance that he got.
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So you didnt do Business with Him .
No, I was sort of a talent scout, and someone he went to whenever it involved a Mexican fighter, never really did any business with him, your comment makes me glad that I didn't. In fact I was sitting next to him during the Johnny Owens - Lupe Pintor. I believe a few rds before the tragic end to the fight, Micky asked me to get Owen's cornerman attention, he was going to tell them to stop the fight, as I started to get up, he told me to forget it, he didn't want it to seem that he was second guessing the corner.
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Without getting away from the main part of the thread the last story about opportunity.Fighters to a man even one of the all time best MW's only get so many chances if you are not a big ticket seller,talker or even connected the road to glory can be long & arduos expect & get no favours.

You are 28 years old boast a record of 49-2-2 you have fought some of the best your weight class offers in 2013 you would no doubt have held a MW version of the title.Yet you are almost at the last chance saloon you know you have been avoided the pressure is on & you know in the back of your mind you must win by stoppage,no scorecards you have been down that road before.

This is 1980 Marvin Hagler knows this is his last real opportunity he has made himself mandatory challenger to Alan Minter away from home at Wembley Arena London.Minter is also confident he had beaten Vito Antuofermo.Hagler had drawn with Antuofermo 10 months prior to the Minter fight he should of won clearly.But he knows sometimes when you leave it in the judges hands it doesn't fall your way.

Years earlier he had experienced it at the Spectrum in Philly.The fights he had there were the dubbed the Philly wars the atmosphere & fan reaction would stand him in good stead at Wembley he drew on all those experiences & more.

The build up to the fight Minter makes a comment that goes national on tv & radio a comment that he retracts afterwards Hagler will not win his title not based on ability but how he looks.Hagler after accepts the apology.

The day of the fight Minter was the slight favourite 4/5 against Hagler at even money something had even gone wrong in the last few days of Hagler's preparation he weighs in 1/2 pound over.The weight is shifted very quickly part of the mind games maybe?When did he struggle to make weight before or after?He never did a true profesional.

The fight is a three round war both fighting from the southpaw stance Minter a fighter that was known for coming on strong in the second half of fights decides to try & push the pace.Hagler slips leads & punishes Minter opening cuts around his eyes.The fight goes the same length as the famous fight years later against Hearns three rounds this one in many ways more important.

The third round & it's all over Hagler's celebrations are cut short as bottles are cascading into the ring his managers & entourage protect him back to the dressing room.
He goes from being in the last chance saloon to being undisputed MW champion from 1980-87.

The $50 dollar debut purse dewarfed by the estimated $11-12m dollar purse he recieved for fighting SRL.Every cent earned the boy from Brockton had made good.
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