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Old 07-16-2007, 12:25 PM   #1
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Default Best fighters p4p never to win a world title

How do you rank them?

Here are some possible candidates (not in any order):

Holman Williams
Lew Tendler
Dave Holly
Sam Langford
Eddie Booker
Packey McFarland
Charley Burley
Jack Blackburn
Billy Graham
Wes Ramey
Tommy Gibbons
Harry Wills
Cocoa Kid
Sam McVea
Kid Norfolk
Joe Jeannete
Young Peter Jackson
Jack Chase
Lloyd Marshall

Add some more if you can think of any, and let's see some lists of how they rank
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Old 07-16-2007, 12:30 PM   #2
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You've really taken the fun out of trying to come up with some names ourselves, haven't you!

My top five:

1 - Burley. By a mile. At his peak i bet he could beat almost any champion between light-welter and super-middle to secure himself a title.

2 - Sam Langford....ok, I may have been exaggerating when I said "by a mile". I am really getting into this guy, what a great fighter.

3 - Harry Wills. I have a real soft spot for this guy. I feel bad for him. He may not be "better" p4p than many other denied champs but he's one of the ones I hurt for the most. He deserved a shot.

4 - Lloyd Marshall. The ultimate business fighter? Maybe, but I bet his raw talent would be enough to put any super-middle/light-heavy there's ever been to the test.

5 - I'd like to say Jack Chase, but probably Holman Williams was the better fighter. That would be my guess anyway. So Holman Williams.
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Old 07-16-2007, 12:31 PM   #3
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Sam Langford
Charles Burley
Joe Jeanette
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Old 07-16-2007, 12:31 PM   #4
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Default Re: Best fighters p4p never to win a world title

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How do you rank them?

Here are some possible candidates (not in any order):

Holman Williams
Lew Tendler
Dave Holly
Sam Langford
Eddie Booker
Packey McFarland
Charley Burley
Jack Blackburn
Billy Graham
Wes Ramey
Tommy Gibbons
Harry Wills
Cocoa Kid
Sam McVea
Kid Norfolk
Joe Jeannete
Young Peter Jackson
Jack Chase
Lloyd Marshall

Add some more if you can think of any, and let's see some lists of how they rank
Good work.
This is an awsome list. Wouldn't you say that Jerry Quarry could be added to that list though? I mean I don't think he was as good as Langford or Jackson, but he did manage to beat Floyd patterson, Earnie Shavers, Ron Lyle, Buster Mathis, Thad Spencer, and Mac Foster. That's a pretty thick list of good fighters for a guy who never won a world title.
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Old 07-16-2007, 12:33 PM   #5
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Adding a journeyman Jerry Quarry to such list would be an insult to the fighters already on it.
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Old 07-16-2007, 12:38 PM   #6
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Adding a journeyman Jerry Quarry to such list would be an insult to the fighters already on it.

Adding your two cents to this thread or any other is an insult to anyone who knows boxing....
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Old 07-16-2007, 12:49 PM   #7
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Jeff Clark, Bobby Dobbs and Joe Butler should be on the list.

I would also add Tommy West. He was extremely unlucky to come along while Joe Walcott, Billy Smith and Tommy Ryan were in the welterweight division.

Billy Miske deserves a mention as he should have contested the light heavyweight title early in his career.
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Old 07-16-2007, 12:51 PM   #8
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Good work.
This is an awsome list. Wouldn't you say that Jerry Quarry could be added to that list though? I mean I don't think he was as good as Langford or Jackson, but he did manage to beat Floyd patterson, Earnie Shavers, Ron Lyle, Buster Mathis, Thad Spencer, and Mac Foster. That's a pretty thick list of good fighters for a guy who never won a world title.
Not a bad fighter, but I'd say he's a level below most of the guys listed here. He was usually outclassed quite badly when stepping up against the very best but he did have some quality wins as you say. I'm not an expert on heavies though, so I can't give too informed an opinion.
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Old 07-16-2007, 12:52 PM   #9
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Billy Miske had some tough fights with Greb. The Harry Greb website credits Miske in winning a newspaper decision over Greb once. He also beat light-heavy champs like Jack Dillon and Levinsky

MR Margoo i agree with qUARRY good pick
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Old 07-16-2007, 01:09 PM   #10
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1. Sam Langford
2. Charley Burley
3. Holman Williams
4. Harry Wills
5. Tommy Gibbons

Honourable Mention: Lloyd Marshall, Eddie Booker, Cocoa Kid, Jack Chase and Young Peter Jackson.
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Old 07-16-2007, 01:27 PM   #11
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Old 07-16-2007, 01:29 PM   #12
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what a better question would be who is the best fighters never to win the undisputed/unified/lineal world championship

and IMO Tommy Hearns (if memory serves me) never won a consensus undisputed championship, so he'd have to be up there...
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Old 07-16-2007, 04:37 PM   #13
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Tommy Gibbons would have our hides for naming him without also naming his brother Mike!
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Old 07-16-2007, 04:40 PM   #14
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Tommy Gibbons would have our hides for naming him without also naming his brother Mike!
Mike was in my opinion the better of the Gibbons brothers pound for pound.
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Old 07-16-2007, 04:44 PM   #15
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How do you rank them?

Here are some possible candidates (not in any order):

Sam Langford
Sammy claimed alphabet 175lbs crap between 1911-13 as well as recognition at heavyweight (five times between 1909 and 1918.)
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