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Old 04-26-2013, 08:59 AM   #31
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tyson was far better than lewis prime for prime ! as soon as he caught lewis flush the fights over 4 rounds at the most .
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Old 04-26-2013, 09:15 AM   #32
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Yep, i agree with your post. I was just pointing out that people always say tyson was finished (which is true) without factoring in that Lewis was past prime too and not a kick in the arse from finished himself.
I think most people dont really factor that Lewis was faded because he was still the no1 heavyweight in the world, he was still the champ.

Come to think of it thats quite an achievement for Lewis, to be on top while being old and past his prime and still the number 1.
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Old 04-27-2013, 01:34 AM   #33
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Oh, boy.

Lewis eluded Tyson when both were young. I will hit the Pearly Gates believing that.

Tyson became the best fighter in the world, perhaps the greatest heavyweight fighting machine of all time, while the older Lewis wisely decided to remain an ancient amateur.

Such is the bottom line of two young men's shared story.

When a man is in his early twenties--and so much more if he is a great amateur boxer, like Lewis and Tyson were--he feels he can conquer the world, and is anxious to prove himself: Dempsey won the title at 24; Louis at 23; Ali at 22.

Lennox Lewis was still beating up amateurs at age 23, on his second trip to the Olympics. In the meantime, a guy he had had dream sparring matches with in the Catskills under the sage eye of legendary trainer Cus D'Amato--who even prophesied fate would some day bring them together--became the Baddest Man on the Planet.

I will never understand Lennox Lewis except as a smart, calculating guy, but not a true fighter at heart on the level of the all-time greats. This is why, incidentally, he was able to walk away so nonchalantly.

Lewis was a great performer, a great fighter. But, as my champion, give me a youth who, though green and still developing, believes he is the best, dreams of the heavyweight title, challenges the baddest man on the planet, and delivers the goods.

Lewis got lucky and capitalized: Tyson self-destructed, leaving open ground for Lennox, who quickly began to make waves on the heavyweight scene. By staying amateur, he clearly chose another path rather than gather himself to challenge the best fighter in the world.

That, to me, says everything I need to know about Lewis. So, no, I don't buy his spin of his place in boxing history, I will never be inspired to dream dreams of greatness when I watch Lewis' fights, nor did he ever answer the question of what would have happened had Mike Tyson been challenged by Lennox Lewis.
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Old 04-27-2013, 07:22 AM   #34
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Oh, boy.

Lewis eluded Tyson when both were young. I will hit the Pearly Gates believing that.

Tyson became the best fighter in the world, perhaps the greatest heavyweight fighting machine of all time, while the older Lewis wisely decided to remain an ancient amateur.

Such is the bottom line of two young men's shared story.

When a man is in his early twenties--and so much more if he is a great amateur boxer, like Lewis and Tyson were--he feels he can conquer the world, and is anxious to prove himself: Dempsey won the title at 24; Louis at 23; Ali at 22.

Lennox Lewis was still beating up amateurs at age 23, on his second trip to the Olympics. In the meantime, a guy he had had dream sparring matches with in the Catskills under the sage eye of legendary trainer Cus D'Amato--who even prophesied fate would some day bring them together--became the Baddest Man on the Planet.

I will never understand Lennox Lewis except as a smart, calculating guy, but not a true fighter at heart on the level of the all-time greats. This is why, incidentally, he was able to walk away so nonchalantly.

Lewis was a great performer, a great fighter. But, as my champion, give me a youth who, though green and still developing, believes he is the best, dreams of the heavyweight title, challenges the baddest man on the planet, and delivers the goods.

Lewis got lucky and capitalized: Tyson self-destructed, leaving open ground for Lennox, who quickly began to make waves on the heavyweight scene. By staying amateur, he clearly chose another path rather than gather himself to challenge the best fighter in the world.

That, to me, says everything I need to know about Lewis. So, no, I don't buy his spin of his place in boxing history, I will never be inspired to dream dreams of greatness when I watch Lewis' fights, nor did he ever answer the question of what would have happened had Mike Tyson been challenged by Lennox Lewis.
This is a strange post.

You dont buy his place in history because he wanted to go to win the olympics? Not only winning the one of the biggest prizes a sportsmen can win but also set up more opportunities when he inevitably turned pro...

Having an Olympic Gold Medal will always be better than not having one.
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Old 04-27-2013, 05:30 PM   #35
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This is a strange post.

You dont buy his place in history because he wanted to go to win the olympics? Not only winning the one of the biggest prizes a sportsmen can win but also set up more opportunities when he inevitably turned pro...

Having an Olympic Gold Medal will always be better than not having one.
I don't buy his spin that he would beat young Tyson because of their actual fight. He had a chance to prove it and preferred a second Olympic trip.

Unless you're Lennox Lewis, a world-class amateur makes a run for Olympic gold, accepts the results, and then turns pro, for one simple reason: time.

Lewis benefited from four big breaks: Tyson's self-destruction; Steward's hand in correcting his flaws; today's broad-daylight secret: performance enhancing drugs; a modern abundance of limited-skills, limited-stamina punchers that a good technician like Lewis could dominate. He thus dominated till old age, like the Klitschkos now.

Bottom line: around 2002, Lewis began bellowing: "I want Tyson!" In my view, he could and should have said something of the sort around 1987. But he didn't.
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Old 04-27-2013, 10:55 PM   #36
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Lewis Matured into a great Tyson was great then faded, perfect for Lewis when they finally fought- bad for Mike
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Old 04-28-2013, 11:43 AM   #37
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saying that prime tyson would have beaten lewis for sure and saying that lewis would have beaten prime tyson for sure ... both things are absurd
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Old 04-28-2013, 11:45 AM   #38
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I don't buy his spin that he would beat young Tyson because of their actual fight. He had a chance to prove it and preferred a second Olympic trip.

Unless you're Lennox Lewis, a world-class amateur makes a run for Olympic gold, accepts the results, and then turns pro, for one simple reason: time.

Lewis benefited from four big breaks: Tyson's self-destruction; Steward's hand in correcting his flaws; today's broad-daylight secret: performance enhancing drugs; a modern abundance of limited-skills, limited-stamina punchers that a good technician like Lewis could dominate. He thus dominated till old age, like the Klitschkos now.

Bottom line: around 2002, Lewis began bellowing: "I want Tyson!" In my view, he could and should have said something of the sort around 1987. But he didn't.
really? lewis was not even a professional fighter in 1987...
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Old 04-28-2013, 12:03 PM   #39
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It's a tad pathetic the way he tries to vindicate himself by saying things like that he would always beat Tyson or that he has no doubt he would always beat Vitali. Just can't admit that some guys were simply competitive and truly belonged in the same ring with him! Can't even admit that after all those years being fourty something accomplished boxer. Like a big, insecure teenage boy

Not that it's very, very blatant, but really do see it like that, to a big enough degree.

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Bottom line: around 2002, Lewis began bellowing: "I want Tyson!" In my view, he could and should have said something of the sort around 1987. But he didn't.


* if not '87 then somewhat later but not 2002
** not even getting into the Vitali thing. Will just point out that saying he didn't give him a (promised) rematch because Vitali didn't offend him like Tyson did............................ phuleeeaase....
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Old 04-28-2013, 04:50 PM   #40
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Yeah, heavyweight champions of the world tend to be a little arrogant. Go figure, winning the toughest prize in sports, all that hard work, making all those trained killers hit the canvas as you claw your way to the top...God forbid, you start to think of yourself as pretty capable.

Lewis vs. Tyson, best for best, would have been a great fight. Too huge hitters with the tools to win. I'd have loved to see that fight. Heavyweight gold.

Lewis showed he was man enough to fight a younger, stronger opponent and rough him up and get him out of the fight when he fought Vitali. Tyson showed he could handle length and strength in several fights. They both had everything they needed to beat the tar out of eachother, and I think it would have been a great great fight.

I think I'd probably tip my hat to Lewis, but I don't know that I'd bet on him. Those two guys were animals with power and fire. Anything can happen.
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Yeah, heavyweight champions of the world tend to be a little arrogant. Go figure, winning the toughest prize in sports, all that hard work, making all those trained killers hit the canvas as you claw your way to the top...God forbid, you start to think of yourself as pretty capable.
Sure. Why aren't Tyson or Holyfield like Lewis though? Tyson is always honest and humble talking about his defeats/flaws/doubts. Evander makes no excuses and doesn't seem to really praise himself much either. It takes someone a tad insecure to focus that much on convincing people how good you are, to take it all that seriously.
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Old 04-29-2013, 04:31 AM   #42
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Sure. Why aren't Tyson or Holyfield like Lewis though? Tyson is always honest and humble talking about his defeats/flaws/doubts. Evander makes no excuses and doesn't seem to really praise himself much either. It takes someone a tad insecure to focus that much on convincing people how good you are, to take it all that seriously.
I consider "I'm still going to be the heavyweight champion at 50 years old" to be fairly arrogant.

Tyson isn't to far removed from "I'm the greatest, and I'm going to eat your kids!" either. But I'll agree, he seems pretty humble now.

The ego is strong with most champions. Pretty sure Lennox isn't insecure. He's having a ton of fun with his life right now, last I've heard, despite how hard leaving boxing was for him.

Pretty amusing to see the champions of my day commentating, doing Broadway, and selling BBQ sauce.
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Old 04-29-2013, 05:15 AM   #43
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Sure. Why aren't Tyson or Holyfield like Lewis though? Tyson is always honest and humble talking about his defeats/flaws/doubts. Evander makes no excuses and doesn't seem to really praise himself much either. It takes someone a tad insecure to focus that much on convincing people how good you are, to take it all that seriously.
Didn't Holy make a whole heap of excuses for his lack luster performances?
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Old 04-29-2013, 06:55 AM   #44
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lmao tyson has a lot of delusional fanboys

and confident fighters seem to rub a lot of yall the wrong way... calm down and take a deep breath before u post
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Old 06-26-2013, 11:23 AM   #45
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Lewis was far from prime when he beat tyson, plus he was older. It was only 12 months before he fought Vitali and i think we can all agree he was finished by then. IMO there wasnt much between Lewis in the 2 fights and it was only that Tyson had no longer the skill to expose it.

Lewis wins at least 7 times outta 10 IMO

Was he far out of his prime? Lewis was a very good older fighter, and really did not take a lot of punishment. I would say Lewis’ re-match vs. Rhaman was one of his best performances, and that one happened just a few months before Lewis meet a washed up Tyson. Tyson had one round of fight in him that night, and wanted to quit but his corner did not let him.

It is clear that Lewis caught Vitali when he was not ready. 2 weeks is not enough to prepare for a title shot! Vitali gave Lewis a tough fight. He hurt him, had Lewis tired, cut / swollen, and most importantly down on all three score cards 4-2. Lewis earned a technical victory on cuts, but it was hardly convincing stuff. A re-match was needed. Lewis said he would do it multiple times. He ran his mouth. He hoped Vitali would lose. He tired to fight Kirk Johnson in Canada but when the WBC said take the re-match or lose your title, Lewis’ brain for once trumped his ego. The offer for Lewis was 18 million for the re-match. Lewis quickly retired! Why retire when you said you would take the re-match, ran your mouth and the money was up? Translation, in Lewis’ mind he must have felt he would not be as lucky.
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