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Old 05-14-2013, 08:49 PM   #12406
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DEBUNKING THE MYTHS ON PLAYER DEVELOPMENT

For many years detractors of the Sydney Roosters have bemoaned the lack of juniors produced by the club and have doubled down on that bizarre criticism to somehow question the legitimacy of any successes enjoyed by the Roosters over the past 40 years. I call the criticism bizarre as it is just not possible for any club to produce juniors in significant numbers to become NRL players when that club is restricted to a junior area the size of that given to the Roosters. In fact, despite the massive growth in population outside of the Eastern Suburbs of Sydney over the past 105 years, the Roosters junior boundaries have in fact contracted since 1908, with the loss of key Eastern Suburbs localities within the city of Randwick during the early part of the twentieth century.

We don’t conduct state or federal elections on boundaries based on population numbers from early last century, but some Rooster critics with an axe to grind are prepared to ignore the basic demographic reality that Sydney (and NSW) has changed dramatically over the past century and use this ridiculous argument (lack of juniors) to denigrate our great club. Expecting the Roosters to compete on junior numbers with clubs with over ten times the number of players is akin to expecting Luxembourg to be regular finalists in the Euro soccer finals.

So let’s disregard this irresponsible and immature criticism but instead judge the Roosters player development on the only criterion that fairly measures all teams on a far more equal footing. That criterion is, and should always be, the number of players who make their NRL debuts at each club. Looking at the Roosters since the major changes at our club in the mid nineties certainly put paid to any suggestion that the Roosters pillage the established talent of other NRL clubs. While we are, and will always be, a recruitment club due to the ongoing failures of league administrators to adjust junior league boundaries to give each club a fair share of potential junior league players, the Roosters have not purchased an inordinate number of established NRL stars since 1995, but instead have continually developed players from within to fill the bulk of their NRL roster. The recruitment this year of established stars such as Sonny Bill Williams, Michael Jennings and James Maloney has been the first time in many years that the club has made such an investment in players developed from outside our own systems.

118 (or 122 if you include players who came directly from the English Super League) of 205 players who played for the Roosters from 1995 to 2012 made their NRL debuts for our club.

To best explain how I like to categorise players at NRL clubs, I have listed below the current Roosters top 25 (replacing Tom Symonds with Isaac Liu) and broken them down by development path to best illustrate how the Roosters develop young men into NRL players.

Category 1 (joined Roosters before turning 18

Anthony Minichiello: Joined the club as a 16 year old, playing in the premiership winning SG Ball side of 1997. Played SG Ball again in 1998 and under 20s in 1998 and 1999, before making his NRL debut in 2000, aged 19. Played Junior Kangaroos in 1999.

Shaun Kenny-Dowall: Joined club as a 17 year old from New Zealand, playing SG Ball in 2005. Played SG Ball again in 2006 as well as under 20s and played for the Junior Kiwis later that year and again in 2007. Made his NRL debut in 2007 aged 19 and made his test debut for New Zealand in the same year.

Mitchell Pearce: Joined club as a 16 year old in 2006, and was rushed straight into under 20s. Played Australian Schoolboys in 2005 and 2006, the second year as captain, before making his NRL debut in 2007, aged 17.

Jake Friend: Joined club as a 17 year old from Queensland, playing SG Ball in 2007 before playing Australian Schoolboys later that year. In 2008 he played both SG Ball (premiership-winning side) and NYC before making his first grade debut in the same year aged 18.

Martin Kennedy: Joined club as a 17 year old from Queensland, playing SG Ball in 2007, before going on to captain the Australian Schoolboys later that year. Also played Under 20s that year before going on to make his NRL debut in 2009 aged 20.

Boyd Cordner: Joined club as a 16 year old in 2009. Played SG Ball for Newtown (who were representing the Roosters in 2009 at SG Ball level) that year and also played NYC in 2009. Injury robbed him of an SG Ball premiership and an Australian Schoolboys spot in 2010. He played for the Junior Kangaroos in 2011 but injury prevented him from playing again in 2012. He made his NRL debut in 2011 aged 18.

Tautau Moga: Joined club as a 16 year old in 2010 from Queensland. Played SG Ball in 2010 (premiership-winning side) and 2011, Australian Schoolboys in 2010 as well as the Junior Kangaroos in 2011 and 2012. Made his NYC debut in 2011 but was barred by the NRL from making his first grade debut later that year due to a change in the minimum age requirement. Finally made his NRL debut in 2012 aged 18.

Category 2 (joined Roosters after turning 18 but prior to turning 20)

Frank Paul Nu’uausala: Joined club as a 19 year old in 2006 from New Zealand. Played under 20s in 2006 before making his NRL debut in 2007 aged 20.

Mitchell Aubusson. Joined club as an 18 year old in 2006 after playing Australian Schoolboys in 2005. Played under 20s in 2006 before making his NRL debut in 2007 aged 19.

Roger Tuivasa-Sheck: Joined club as an 18 year old in 2012 after playing New Zealand Schoolboys (Rugby Union). In 2012 he played NYC before making his NRL debut in the same year, aged 19, and played Junior Kiwis in the same year.

Isaac Liu: Joined club as a 19 year old in 2011, playing one season in the NYC. Made his NRL debut in 2013, aged 21.

Category 3 (Joined Roosters after turning 20 but made NRL/Super League debut at our club)

Aiden Guerra: Joined Roosters in 2010 aged 22, making his NRL debut in the same year. A Queenslander, he was formerly a second-tier player with Melbourne but through injury and other factors failed to play first grade before joining the Roosters.

Tinirau Arona: Joined Newtown (Roosters feeder club) in 2010, aged 20, after graduating from Penrith NYC team and then joined the Roosters in 2011. The Cook Islands international made his first grade debut early in 2011 aged 21.

Lama Tasi: Joined Roosters in 2011, aged 20, after graduating from Manly/Warringah NYC team. A Queenslander, but also a Junior Kiwi in 2010, he made his NRL debut in 2011 aged 20.

Daniel Tupou: Joined Roosters in 2012, aged 20, after graduating from Parramatta NYC team. Of Tongan heritage, he made his debut late in the 2012 season aged 21 and was a member of Newtown’s 2012 premiership winning team.

Category 4 (joined Roosters after playing fewer than 25 NRL/Super league games elsewhere)

Jared Waerea-Hargreaves; Joined Roosters in 2010 aged 21. Graduated from Manly/Warringah 2009 NYC team but did play six first grade games and make his test debut for New Zealand in 2009 before joining Roosters.

Jack Bosden: Joined Roosters in 2012 from St George/Illawarra, aged 23, and made his Roosters debut in the same year at the same age. He had played four first grade games for St George/Illawarra in 2011.

Nafe Seluini: Joined Roosters midway through 2012 at the age of 22, making his Roosters debut soon after. The Warriors NYC 2010 player of the year, this New Zealander played 19 first grade games for Penrith in 2011 and 2012 before joining the Roosters.

Michael Oldfield: Joined Roosters in 2013 aged 22 from Manly/Warringah where he played 24 first grade games. Yet to make his Roosters debut.

Category 5 (player joining the Roosters as an established first grader)

Luke O’Donnell: Joined Roosters in 2013 after a long career. From 1999-2012 he played at Balmain (three games), Wests Tigers (48 games), North Queensland (117 games) and Huddersfield (24 games). 11 test matches for Australia and five State Of Origin matches for NSW.

Sam Moa: Joined Roosters in 2013 after 76 games at Hull (2009-2012) and one NRL game for Cronulla/Sutherland in 2008. Played seven tests for Tonga.

Daniel Mortimer: Joined Roosters in 2012 after playing 48 games for Parramatta (2009-2011).

Category 6 (elite player joining the Roosters as a top five player at the club)

Sonny Bill Williams: One of the game’s real superstars, he joined the Roosters in 2013 as the New Zealand heavyweight boxing champion and a dual rugby league/rugby union international. Played 73 NRL games for the Bulldogs (2004-200, including a premiership (2004) and seven test matches for New Zealand, before spending five years in rugby union, winning a World Cup and Super Rugby title and playing 19 test matches for the All Blacks.

Michael Jennings; Joined the Roosters in 2013 after 122 NRL games with Penrith. A current State Of Origin player, he has played seven matches at that level and one test for Australia. Scored 71 tries in 122 matches for Penrith and is regarded by many as one of the best centres in the game.

James Maloney: Joined Roosters in 2013 after a career that took him from Parramatta to Melbourne (four NRL games) and then to the New Zealand Warriors (75 games) where he was a key member of their 2011 grand final side. Maloney played junior reps for the Central Coast but is originally from Orange.

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Old 05-14-2013, 08:51 PM   #12407
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Every other club contains at least one player in their fulltime squad who was at the Roosters, either in junior reps, under 20s or senior squad, before playing their first NRL match. Those 27 players, across 15 clubs are Cheyse Blair (Parramatta), Sam Perrett (Canterbury/Bankstown), Jamie Soward (St George/Illawarra), Ben Hannant, David Hala (Brisbane), Dominic Peyroux (New Zealand), James Tamou, Antonio Winterstein, Rory Kostjasyn, Kane Linnett, Curtis Rona (North Queensland), Brad Takarangi, Mark Minichiello (Gold Coast), David Shillington, Sandor Earl (Canberra), Blake Ayshford, Jacob Miller (Wests Tigers), Anthony Cherrington, Mose Maose, Nigel Plum, Lewis Brown (Penrith), Tom Symonds, ****** Horo, George Rose (Manly/Warringah), Joseph Leilua (Newcastle), Michael Crocker (South Sydney), Anthony Tupou (Cronulla/Sutherland) and Sisi Waqa (Melbourne)

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It also ironic that Canterbury/Bankstown, who have supporters who attend games against the Roosters with signs such as ‘Bred Not Bought’, had just five Category 1-3 players (Ben Barba from Mackay, Sam Kasiano from Auckland, Josh Jackson from Gulgong via Newcastle, Dale Finucane from Bega and local junior Josh Reynolds) when they last appeared in a grand final in 2012, but the Roosters in their last grand final appearance in 2010 had over double that number (11) of Category 1-3 players in their line-up.

Penrith, the club with the largest junior league in NSW, have just eight Category 1-3 players (Blake Austin, Lachlan Coote, Tim Grant, Geoff Daniela (all Penrith juniors), Matt Robinson, Ryan Simpkins, Sam McKendry, Josh Mansour) in their top 25, compared to the 15 we have at the Roosters.

Of the 45 players used by the Roosters in our five grand finals between 2000 and 2010, 27 of them – Adrian Lam, Dallas Hood, Ryan Cross, Shane Rigon, Simon Bonetti, Scott Logan, Bryan Fletcher, Peter Cusack, Shannon Hegarty, David Solomona, Andrew Lomu, Anthony Minichiello, Chris Flannery, Michael Crocker, Todd Byrne, Anthony Topou, Luke Ricketson, Joseph Leilua, Kane Linnett, Shaun Kenny-Dowall, Lopini Paea, Sam Perrett, Mitchell Pearce, Martin Kennedy, Jake Friend, Mitchell Aubusson and Frank Paul Nu’uausala – made their NRL/Super League debuts from the Roosters.

These figures compare more than favourably with most of the other NRL clubs, and the Rooster development programs and astute talent spotting will continue to be the envy of many of our rivals. Let’s not allow detractors to muddy the waters with spurious arguments that you’d be embarrassed to hear from a ten year old. You are entitled to be as a proud as any rugby league supporter in the players developed by the Sydney Roosters, both numerically and in the quality of football played by many of these men who have become NRL stars.
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Old 05-14-2013, 10:57 PM   #12408
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interesting read... i actually thought the Roosters had few good juniors and guess why? because all my mates that support souths told me thats how it was... why do Souths supporters care so much? they find any excuse to hate the way the Roosters conduct business. You either play dirty, like every club does, or you get left behind. And to be honest its not even really playing dirty. People say Nick Politis gives the Roosters an unfair advantage, but the truth is any other team would use a guy like him in the exact same role. Penrith tried to do it with Gus. The Dragons used Bennett to attract players and the Knights used Tinkler. Souths used Russell Crowe. I just dont get this feeling of superiority some supporters have because their club doesnt "bend the rules". They all do it and any team not using things to their advantage is just plain stupid.

Souths will always be my second team because i like their history but i dont think the mud they sling on the Roosters is entirely warranted... as i said, they would do the same if they could. Russell Crowe was using every connection and celebrity friend at his disposal, how is that any different?
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anyone wanna catch up at the souths vs tigers game friday for a beer? I will be there. Pecks you down?
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anyone wanna catch up at the souths vs tigers game friday for a beer? I will be there. Pecks you down?
Sorry mate I don't drink
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No he's going to Japan.
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anyone wanna catch up at the souths vs tigers game friday for a beer? I will be there. Pecks you down?
But you can PM Wide Open Road Im sure he will be up for it. A few dogs eyes and pigs ears at the game and a few more at the rubbity dub after that. As long as you don't make him sit near the Westie types. Their all a bunch of tea leaves.
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Sorry mate I don't drink
really? why is that? i thought you daygos all loved a drop of wine

more than half of my ex girlfriends were italians and man did they hit the drink
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really? why is that? i thought you daygos all loved a drop of wine

more than half of my ex girlfriends were italians and man did they hit the drink
Grandfather loved the wine but my dad never did drink so when he brought me up it rubbed off i guess, 2 of my brothers drink tho.
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just out of curiosity, do you think Souths would have behaved any differently if they had the money that Easts had? I like the rabbits but whenever a souths fan goes on about how much integrity and pride their club has compared to the roosters i straight away hear one word: Jealousy. Sure, the Roosters have performed some grubby tactics, more than most, but what rich team hasnt? Storm, Bulldogs, Dragons etc etc. What makes you think Souths are the odd one out and what makes you think they wouldnt be equally putrid, grubby and devoid of soul if they had the same money?

THis is not an attack on anyone, just a question i have been wanting to ask a passionate souths fan for a long time



I never mentioned money, Easts never had more money than Souths until probably the eighties, where Souths have always relied on local juniors, the sub human filth have just raped & pillaged & never given anything back

Their lack of soul is encapsulated by their lack of real supporters, they have the occasional Latte infused wankers cheerily saying they go for the "roosters" without having the first clue about them, Poosterforlife would be one of them but the poor ****er lives in twoheadgadine
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interesting read... i actually thought the Roosters had few good juniors and guess why? because all my mates that support souths told me thats how it was... why do Souths supporters care so much? they find any excuse to hate the way the Roosters conduct business. You either play dirty, like every club does, or you get left behind. And to be honest its not even really playing dirty. People say Nick Politis gives the Roosters an unfair advantage, but the truth is any other team would use a guy like him in the exact same role. Penrith tried to do it with Gus. The Dragons used Bennett to attract players and the Knights used Tinkler. Souths used Russell Crowe. I just dont get this feeling of superiority some supporters have because their club doesnt "bend the rules". They all do it and any team not using things to their advantage is just plain stupid.

Souths will always be my second team because i like their history but i dont think the mud they sling on the Roosters is entirely warranted... as i said, they would do the same if they could. Russell Crowe was using every connection and celebrity friend at his disposal, how is that any different?






You think the mud is flying one way???

The jealousy has always come from the Rorters, we've always been the big brother, we've always been more successful, theyve always been in our shadow, we've always been more famous





Oh, & Gonzo, lighten up, this is a team sport, youre supposed to hate some teams, youre supposed to hate some players, youre supposed to bag, denigrate , throw shit at certain clubs, the game exists on rivalries, i obviously have poosterforlife tearing his greasy hair out & biting like a great white shark, but youre just learning, so cop on
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But you can PM Wide Open Road Im sure he will be up for it. A few dogs eyes and pigs ears at the game and a few more at the rubbity dub after that. As long as you don't make him sit near the Westie types. Their all a bunch of tea leaves.







I detest westie types, ****ing bogans
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I detest westie types, ****ing bogans
And wogs too from what I understand about your posts to R4L and calling Nick Politis a wog cunt. Yet you attack any poster who says bad things about abo's or horses hoofs. For shame WOR for shame.
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And wogs too from what I understand about your posts to R4L and calling Nick Politis a wog cunt. Yet you attack any poster who says bad things about abo's or horses hoofs. For shame WOR for shame.





I'm very fond of our continental cousins, i love Itite food, i've travelled extensively through Italy

I do however like to stir the chocky frogs up a bit, lets face it, we have shows like "wogs out of work", "wogarama" 'Acropolis now" etc, the words been reclaimed & empowered & rightly so

I also like to give them a jab in the ribs when someone retreats from a situation, i liken them to the Italian army in WW2.."going backwards faster than the Italian army" & "surrendered faster than" etc
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Romanzo Criminale. Not sure if the spellings right.

Ive only seen about 3 episodes and dont want to see anymore until I can watch it from the start. Seems more of a drama than Soprano's without the laughs but more heart. When I get time I'll chase up the first season.
Just bought seasons 1 and 2 on ebay, ill let you know what i think of it, thanks mate
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