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Old 04-11-2014, 10:30 AM   #61
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Hopkins vs Calzaghe discussion still remains one of the most underrated topics of ESB. The regular folk were not able to realise Hopkins vs Calzaghe was not just pugilism but was also a battle of the hearts and minds. Bailey said Calzaghe won because he landed his left more than Hopkins landed his right, but that is bullshit he knows this himself. This fight was more than just a left hand or a right hand, it was where the fighter showed his brain, heart and his balls to come out on top.

I think Calzaghe started off the fight giving Hopkins too much respect, and was also a little shaken from fighting for a paper title at a new weight category in the opponents home country. Hopkins on the other hand gave Calzaghe no respect, and being the strategical genius who thrives on intimidation he took advantage of Calzaghe tentativeness and was able to boss early using superior counter punching ability.

Calzaghe then countered Hopkins counter punching by doing what he does best, quick fast slap flurries at a high workrate not giving Hopkins room, time or breathing space. To this Hopkins countered by doing what he does best, dirty fighting, headbutts, lowblows, clinching..... etc all that was required to disrupt Calzaghe's dangerous two fisted barrage of non stop slaps.

This frustrated Calzaghe and got him hard so he went to rape Hopkins instead, Hopkins wanted a dirty fight, and Calzaghe made it even dirtier by dry humping Hopkins in the tenth round. Hopkins then adjusted to this new dirty tactic from Calzaghe and pulled out some oscar winning performances, started calling fouls and used his superior acting skills to further frustrate Calzaghe even more than he was already as well as buying time.

So Hopkins never really got out-thought by Joe Calzaghe, in the strategical battle Hopkins still came out on top by ad******g to the adjustment Calzaghe made countering the counter Hopkins established towards Calzaghe, which at the end of the fight had Joe Calzaghe completely frustrated, depressed and heading towards cocaine to numb the mental torture Hopkins inflicted on him.

Just look at this picture it shows the frustration:-

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Old 04-11-2014, 10:34 AM   #62
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Hopkins vs Calzaghe discussion still remains one of the most underrated topics of ESB. The regular folk were not able to realise Hopkins vs Calzaghe was not just pugilism but was also a battle of the hearts and minds. Bailey said Calzaghe won because he landed his left more than Hopkins landed his right, but that is bullshit he knows this himself. This fight was more than just a left hand or a right hand, it was where the fighter showed his brain, heart and his balls to come out on top.

I think Calzaghe started off the fight giving Hopkins too much respect, and was also a little shaken from fighting for a paper title at a new weight category in the opponents home country. Hopkins on the other hand gave Calzaghe no respect, and being the strategical genius who thrives on intimidation he took advantage of Calzaghe tentativeness and was able to boss early using superior counter punching ability.

Calzaghe then countered Hopkins counter punching by doing what he does best, quick fast slap flurries at a high workrate not giving Hopkins room, time or breathing space. To this Hopkins countered by doing what he does best, dirty fighting, headbutts, lowblows, clinching..... etc all that was required to disrupt Calzaghe's dangerous two fisted barrage of non stop slaps.

This frustrated Calzaghe and got him hard so he went to rape Hopkins instead, Hopkins wanted a dirty fight, and Calzaghe made it even dirtier by dry humping Hopkins in the tenth round. Hopkins then adjusted to this new dirty tactic from Calzaghe and pulled out some oscar winning performances, started calling fouls and used his superior acting skills to further frustrate Calzaghe even more than he was already as well as buying time.

So Hopkins never really got out-thought by Joe Calzaghe, in the strategical battle Hopkins still came out on top by ad******g to the adjustment Calzaghe made countering the counter Hopkins established towards Calzaghe, which at the end of the fight had Joe Calzaghe completely frustrated, depressed and heading towards cocaine to numb the mental torture Hopkins inflicted on him.

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LOL Having said all that he still lost. Kovalev will give him another lick of the vanilla ice cream when they meet too..

It won't be Calzaghe's flake up his arse this time either! It will be a Russian Tea-bagging
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Old 04-11-2014, 10:46 AM   #63
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Hopkins vs Calzaghe discussion still remains one of the most underrated topics of ESB. The regular folk were not able to realise Hopkins vs Calzaghe was not just pugilism but was also a battle of the hearts and minds. Bailey said Calzaghe won because he landed his left more than Hopkins landed his right, but that is bullshit he knows this himself. This fight was more than just a left hand or a right hand, it was where the fighter showed his brain, heart and his balls to come out on top.

I think Calzaghe started off the fight giving Hopkins too much respect, and was also a little shaken from fighting for a paper title at a new weight category in the opponents home country. Hopkins on the other hand gave Calzaghe no respect, and being the strategical genius who thrives on intimidation he took advantage of Calzaghe tentativeness and was able to boss early using superior counter punching ability.

Calzaghe then countered Hopkins counter punching by doing what he does best, quick fast slap flurries at a high workrate not giving Hopkins room, time or breathing space. To this Hopkins countered by doing what he does best, dirty fighting, headbutts, lowblows, clinching..... etc all that was required to disrupt Calzaghe's dangerous two fisted barrage of non stop slaps.

This frustrated Calzaghe and got him hard so he went to rape Hopkins instead, Hopkins wanted a dirty fight, and Calzaghe made it even dirtier by dry humping Hopkins in the tenth round. Hopkins then adjusted to this new dirty tactic from Calzaghe and pulled out some oscar winning performances, started calling fouls and used his superior acting skills to further frustrate Calzaghe even more than he was already as well as buying time.

So Hopkins never really got out-thought by Joe Calzaghe, in the strategical battle Hopkins still came out on top by ad******g to the adjustment Calzaghe made countering the counter Hopkins established towards Calzaghe, which at the end of the fight had Joe Calzaghe completely frustrated, depressed and heading towards cocaine to numb the mental torture Hopkins inflicted on him.

Just look at this picture it shows the frustration:-
You hit the nail square on the head with this analysis.
As Joe tried to overwhelm BHOP with flurries of slaps, BHOP used his defence to create short inside hooks and uppercuts to Joe's jaw as they slid across the ropes.
Joe's frustration and his corners could be heard verbally following every round.
Joe retired to avoid a rematch because he knew for certain that Hopkins could figure out his weird and unorthodox style.
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You hit the nail square on the head with this analysis.
As Joe tried to overwhelm BHOP with flurries of slaps, BHOP used his defence to create short inside hooks and uppercuts to Joe's jaw as they slid across the ropes.
Joe's frustration and his corners could be heard verbally following every round.
Joe retired to avoid a rematch because he knew for certain that Hopkins could figure out his weird and unorthodox style.
& None of this will change history
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& None of this will change history
Bernard Hopkins IS history fool!!

While Joe is home on the sheep farm sitting on a tattered raggedy couch doing lines, Hopkins is fighting next week to unify the LHW division.
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Bernard Hopkins IS history fool!!
Bit harsh. He's not fought KOvalev already as he LOL Don't retire him yet...


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He is a millionaire who can have almost any woman he wants. You serve noodles to truck drivers..

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Hopkins is fighting next week to unify the LHW division.
Calzaghe's job @ LHW was completed years ago! I understand Hopkins not being able to get over it...

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Joe's millions went up his nose years ago.
About next year he will be talking about making a come back. 1st opponent; Lucien Bute.
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Joe's millions went up his nose years ago.
About next year he will be talking about making a come back. 1st opponent; Lucien Bute.
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Hopkins has been able to compete at the elite level through his 40s... He is one of the most dedicated fighters ever, he is a master at fouling when he knows the ref can't see it... His sneaky right hand is texbook brilliance, and he is great at watching fighters and picking weaknesses he can exploit in the ring... He is nothing short of a genius IMO.
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what name do I have here? Who do I think comes close? Yes he is good, but not great. He lost to Calzaghe and Taylor and Dawson and to Jones in his prime. Genius no, he is very good and handpicks like a genius. I think his genius is knowing who to pick and when to fight them and prevent being knocked out so he can prolong his career and keep his name out there.
While Calzaghe can win fights using his quick fast slaps at a high workrate, and Roy Jones Jr can win fights using sheer athleticism, or Kovalev can win fights with his brutal power, or SRL can win fights based on his natural talent....

Bernard Hopkins does not possess a stand out natural asset like the ones mentioned above, so he has to have a solid strategy going into fights especially at age 35+ which was 15 years ago. While other fighters strategy begins once the opening bell is struck, Hopkins strategy is already under away before the fight is even talked about.

Getting Puerto Ricans to burden Felix Trinidad's back was strategic, fighting Antonio Tarver after he just went life and death with Rocky Balboa was strategic, acting friendly with Kelly Pavlik in the build up to the fight but then completely changing his tone at the weigh in was strategic. Now that does not mean his strategies always succeed, the 'I never lose to a white person' did backfire a little but that does not nullify his other successful strategies pre fight.

Those mentioned were his strategical genius before the fight, then come his strategies within the squared circle, and there is a lot of it that you have already seen. But there is also small things that BHop did in the ring that can only be seen by those that know the game, observe:-

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Hopkins has been able to compete at the elite level through his 40s... He is one of the most dedicated fighters ever, he is a master at fouling when he knows the ref can't see it... His sneaky right hand is texbook brilliance, and he is great at watching fighters and picking weaknesses he can exploit in the ring... He is nothing short of a genius IMO.
And in Bernard Hopkins words himself, from 4:18 of the video Hopkins talks about how to fight dirty and get away with it.

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Now this is where Calzaghe showed his genius, by making Bernard Hopkins dirty fight, even dirtier by dry humping him the the 10th round. While some men saw this as gay porn suck as sailor boy Aquamarine:-

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LOL Having said all that he still lost. Kovalev will give him another lick of the vanilla ice cream when they meet too..

It won't be Calzaghe's flake up his arse this time either! It will be a Russian Tea-bagging


Calzaghe should really be praised for turning around the fight on top of its head, from giving BHop too much respect in the opening rounds, but then dry hump was a revolutionary tactic deployed by Zaggers.

And that covers Bernard Hopkins tactics before and during the fight, once a close fight comes to an end, Bernard celebrates like he schooled his opponent 120-108 and acts like it was a shutout, which does not require too much skill but helps his focus.

When Bernard is not boxing, he shows his strategical genius in ways Floyd Mayweather, and Pacquiao can learn a lot from, Observe:-

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Bernard Hopkins is probably one of the only boxers in the sport to have sued, and mostly won against all of the major promoters running the sport.
Over the span of his career Hopkins has sued Goosen, Don King, Bob arum, Lou DiBella, and Butch Lewis to name a few.
Hopkins has said that these law suits were neccessary to defend himself in a corrupt industry that treats fighters like whores.
No doubt that manny Pacquiao would be wise to study and imitate Bernard Hopkins in his professional and personal life.

Don King commented on Hopkins.
"Bernard has got a penitentiary mentality," King said earlier this year. "He thinks that everybody is out to get him, so he gets everybody else first, no matter what you do to help him."

Goosen refused to comment on Hopkins, afraid of initiating a deflamation counter from Hopkins.

True to his opening theme in his historic second fight with Pascal, I Did It My Way, Bernard Hopkins has always seen himself as an outsider of the boxing industry.

Hopkins always has a plan, of course:
Written into the fight contract with Tarver is a bet that, if Tarver does not knock out Hopkins within five rounds, Tarver will pay $250,000 and become the most generous outside benefactor of Hopkins' "Make A Wish" foundation which Hopkins started in honor of his late mother.
While Calzaghe is owed money by Frank ******, and Mayweather is owed money by Bob Arum, Bernard Hopkins remains the only strategical genius in the game to being paid in full.
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While Calzaghe can win fights using his quick fast slaps at a high workrate, and Roy Jones Jr can win fights using sheer athleticism, or Kovalev can win fights with his brutal power, or SRL can win fights based on his natural talent....

Bernard Hopkins does not possess a stand out natural asset like the ones mentioned above, so he has to have a solid strategy going into fights especially at age 35+ which was 15 years ago. While other fighters strategy begins once the opening bell is struck, Hopkins strategy is already under away before the fight is even talked about.

Getting Puerto Ricans to burden Felix Trinidad's back was strategic, fighting Antonio Tarver after he just went life and death with Rocky Balboa was strategic, acting friendly with Kelly Pavlik in the build up to the fight but then completely changing his tone at the weigh in was strategic. Now that does not mean his strategies always succeed, the 'I never lose to a white person' did backfire a little but that does not nullify his other successful strategies pre fight.

Those mentioned were his strategical genius before the fight, then come his strategies within the squared circle, and there is a lot of it that you have already seen. But there is also small things that BHop did in the ring that can only be seen by those that know the game, observe:-



And in Bernard Hopkins words himself, from 4:18 of the video Hopkins talks about how to fight dirty and get away with it.

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Now this is where Calzaghe showed his genius, by making Bernard Hopkins dirty fight, even dirtier by dry humping him the the 10th round. While some men saw this as gay porn suck as sailor boy Aquamarine:-





Calzaghe should really be praised for turning around the fight on top of its head, from giving BHop too much respect in the opening rounds, but then dry hump was a revolutionary tactic deployed by Zaggers.

And that covers Bernard Hopkins tactics before and during the fight, once a close fight comes to an end, Bernard celebrates like he schooled his opponent 120-108 and acts like it was a shutout, which does not require too much skill but helps his focus.

When Bernard is not boxing, he shows his strategical genius in ways Floyd Mayweather, and Pacquiao can learn a lot from, Observe:-



While Calzaghe is owed money by Frank ******, and Mayweather is owed money by Bob Arum, Bernard Hopkins remains the only strategical genius in the game to being paid in full.
Your third paragraph is something that I have had similar thoughts about, getting into opponents heads etc, and its something that Hopkins has done many times before, even the push and shoves with Wright and Pascal before the fights (though I dont think he got to Pascal). But when he cant seem to get into the heads of his opponents, I wonder if that back fires on Hopkins a little and seems to get to him. He didnt seem as comfy around Taylor and Calzaghe who didnt seem intimidated or fall into the mind games
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Hopkins has been able to compete at the elite level through his 40s... He is one of the most dedicated fighters ever, he is a master at fouling when he knows the ref can't see it... His sneaky right hand is texbook brilliance, and he is great at watching fighters and picking weaknesses he can exploit in the ring... He is nothing short of a genius IMO.
A genius But yet he has 6 losses
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what name do I have here? Who do I think comes close? Yes he is good, but not great. He lost to Calzaghe and Taylor and Dawson and to Jones in his prime. Genius no, he is very good and handpicks like a genius. I think his genius is knowing who to pick and when to fight them and prevent being knocked out so he can prolong his career and keep his name out there.
Exactly he picks and chooses like a genius and sergey Kovalev obviously wouldn't be a genius pick and Bernard knows this
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No. As an Asian American I think it is people who call themselves "white" who are the racists.
Bernard Hopkins is just a hard working black man in a racist country.

If he visited Korean with Dennis Rodman he would be treated better than white racists in America treat him.
Joe Calzaghe, he no welcome in Korea. He better off fukking sheep in Wales.
You told me you was black Korean

How can you defend Bernard saying I'll never lose to a white boy



If that's not racist then what do you call it?
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because 'black boy' has slave connotations, and Joe isn't idiot enough to not see this.

'white boy' has no such connotation.
So your saying you don't understand how saying I'll never lose to a white is racist ?




Im not the sharpest tool in the shed but I'm willing to bet your black
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