Boxing  

Forum Home Boxing Forum European British Classic Aussie MMA Training
Go Back   Boxing News 24 Forum > Boxing > Boxing Training/Amateur Boxing


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 08-09-2014, 12:50 AM   #706
dempsey1234
Contender
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 716
vCash: 500
Default Re: I am a boxing manager: if you have questions about the boxing biz, ask!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigre Relampago View Post
Mr. Dempsey, what's the right mentality for an amateur boxing wanting to go pro?

Like, what do i need to keep in mind in order to have a succesful start for a professional career?
Good question TR, Have confidence in yourself and your ability to do what has to be done to win a fight. Sure you might be scared, or nervous but once the bell rings that is forgotten. Then either maintain or lose it, confidence in yourself and your ability will keep you on track. You have seen many fights where the fighter loses control and forgets his skill and loses a fight he might have won. Maintain the confidence even when it gets shaky.
dempsey1234 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 08-09-2014, 10:56 AM   #707
RustyRyan
newbie
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 7
vCash: 500
Default Re: I am a boxing manager: if you have questions about the boxing biz, ask!

Hey Dempsey

I've only read last few pages of the thread but going to make some time tomorrow to go through the whole thing. Appreciate you making the thread.

I'm interested in the matchmaker part in particular. How do they get themselves in to that position? What kind of money does a match maker make at the top level? Are they just employees or are they at owner level? I imagine it to be very stressful seeing as a few wrong choices and your cash cows are finished. Could you describe what being a match maker is like?

If you've already explained these things just ignore this post as I'll go through your thread.

Thanks for the info man.
RustyRyan is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2014, 03:17 PM   #708
dempsey1234
Contender
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 716
vCash: 500
Default Re: I am a boxing manager: if you have questions about the boxing biz, ask!

[quote=RustyRyan;16448257]Hey Dempsey

How do they get themselves in to that position?

They build their reputation little by little, match by match.


What kind of money does a match maker make at the top level?
At the very top they easily make 100,000 plus a yr. If you are an independent matchmaker one who delivers fighters for everybody Usually work for 10% some double dip, in other words they get 10% from the in house matchmaker and then takes another 10% from the fighter.

Are they just employees or are they at owner level? I imagine it to be very stressful seeing as a few wrong choices and your cash cows are finished. Could you describe what being a match maker is like?
It is very stressful cos if you are an in house your job is to stay on the phone calling every independent you know until you you make the match.
The matchmaker has to sort through all the BS independents, managers and trainers put you through. Usually they waste a matchmakers time trying to give the matchmaker what they have rather than what the matchmaker wants. One of the best matchmakers out there is Top Ranks, Brad Goodman, and I can tell you I feel sorry for him cos he has to please everybody, Arum, Bruce Trampler, the manager and the fighter, and believe me that's a thankless job most times you cant please everybody.
If you've already explained these things just ignore this post as I'll go through your thread.

Last edited by dempsey1234; 08-09-2014 at 03:19 PM. Reason: correction
dempsey1234 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2014, 03:50 PM   #709
Tigre Relampago
Journeyman
ESB Jr Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 217
vCash: 500
Default Re: I am a boxing manager: if you have questions about the boxing biz, ask!

Quote:
Originally Posted by dempsey1234 View Post
Good question TR, Have confidence in yourself and your ability to do what has to be done to win a fight. Sure you might be scared, or nervous but once the bell rings that is forgotten. Then either maintain or lose it, confidence in yourself and your ability will keep you on track. You have seen many fights where the fighter loses control and forgets his skill and loses a fight he might have won. Maintain the confidence even when it gets shaky.
This was extremely great to read Mr Dempsey.
Words to live by. Thank you very much!
Tigre Relampago is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-13-2014, 07:14 PM   #710
Wynton_TheDon
newbie
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 3
vCash: 500
Default Re: I am a boxing manager: if you have questions about the boxing biz, ask!

This is an excellent thread
Wynton_TheDon is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2014, 12:54 AM   #711
xK5
newbie
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 1
vCash: 500
Default Re: I am a boxing manager: if you have questions about the boxing biz, ask!

Amazing thread Dempsey, I have been following this thread for a few months, and the input is great, no trolling compared to the other threads haha, what do you guys think of the new amateur rules? Could it help amateurs transition once again to the pros? Maybe even help a pro style to become a option from day one for certain fighters?
xK5 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2014, 03:16 PM   #712
sooners4life98
newbie
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Oklahoma City, OK
Posts: 32
vCash: 500
Default Re: I am a boxing manager: if you have questions about the boxing biz, ask!

Dempsey. Any advice on finding sparring partners for my fighters and the best way to do this when you are not starting out with any money?
sooners4life98 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-27-2014, 10:08 AM   #713
dempsey1234
Contender
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 716
vCash: 500
Default Re: I am a boxing manager: if you have questions about the boxing biz, ask!

Quote:
Originally Posted by xK5 View Post
Amazing thread Dempsey, I have been following this thread for a few months, and the input is great, no trolling compared to the other threads haha, what do you guys think of the new amateur rules? Could it help amateurs transition once again to the pros? Maybe even help a pro style to become a option from day one for certain fighters?
Do you mean that the amateurs are now fighting without headgear? Its good and bad. Good cos you get the fighter to have the experience of fighting without headgear and just as important it opens an unobstructed view of your opponent.
One of the bad points is now they are open to head butts, and elbows.
Style-wise it might bring in a more pro style to amateur boxing so it could benefit boxing, boxers and the fan's.
dempsey1234 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-27-2014, 10:14 AM   #714
dempsey1234
Contender
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 716
vCash: 500
Default Re: I am a boxing manager: if you have questions about the boxing biz, ask!

Quote:
Originally Posted by sooners4life98 View Post
Dempsey. Any advice on finding sparring partners for my fighters and the best way to do this when you are not starting out with any money?
Search out the gyms where you are at and ask the trainers of the various gyms about sparring. They will know what's going on in that areas and tell you where to go. Go to the Azteca gym, Ricardo Mayorga is training there.
dempsey1234 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-27-2014, 12:33 PM   #715
sooners4life98
newbie
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Oklahoma City, OK
Posts: 32
vCash: 500
Default Re: I am a boxing manager: if you have questions about the boxing biz, ask!

Quote:
Originally Posted by dempsey1234 View Post
Search out the gyms where you are at and ask the trainers of the various gyms about sparring. They will know what's going on in that areas and tell you where to go. Go to the Azteca gym, Ricardo Mayorga is training there.
Thanks for the advice. How is Saucedo doing? And what brings Ricardo to Oklahoma?

Last edited by sooners4life98; 08-27-2014 at 12:34 PM. Reason: addtional question
sooners4life98 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-30-2014, 10:37 AM   #716
dempsey1234
Contender
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 716
vCash: 500
Default Re: I am a boxing manager: if you have questions about the boxing biz, ask!

Quote:
Originally Posted by sooners4life98 View Post
Thanks for the advice. How is Saucedo doing? And what brings Ricardo to Oklahoma?
There is a card on Sept 27th where Mayorga, Samuel Peters, and Yori Boy Campas will appear against assorted TBA's. Saucedo is fighting Sept 6th in Laredo, Tx and then on Sept 27th. on the Mayorga card in OC.
Saucedo is in Santa Monica, training for both fights.
dempsey1234 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2014, 05:34 PM   #717
Badbot
Champion
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 5,289
vCash: 1440
Default Re: I am a boxing manager: if you have questions about the boxing biz, ask!

Fantastic thread.
Do managers pick fighters by looking at their record or do they make the decision while watching the fighter train and fight?

Seems to me like GBP just wanted to sign any US olympian eventhough some of them never really acomplished much. For instance Raushee ****** is a 3 time olympian but inside the ring he looks mediocre.

I too had a few amateur fights but after my second loss i only visited the gym twice in 3 years.
6 months ago when i did visit it, i was asked if i am a fighter because of the way i worked the heavybag. And i looked decent in sparring.

To everyones shock i am 0-2 and both losses were referee stoppages. No one really believed me. Well the heavybag doesnt hit you back

So, is it a combination of both how you look in the gym and in the ring or does one get the benefit of the doubt because of his record?
Badbot is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2014, 01:58 PM   #718
Makingweight
Contender
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: North London
Posts: 744
vCash: 500
Default Re: I am a boxing manager: if you have questions about the boxing biz, ask!

This Thursday night GBP has a card on fox sports the headline fight Ortiz getting 80k to face Kayode 55k unbeaten HW and Ortiz the lions share as the A side of two unbeaten HW interim WBA HW title fight.

Look down the card unbeaten WW prospect Errol Spence 13-0,15k to face Noe Bolanos 24-10-1 is getting 18k how does that work some may ask?

On the way up you would be surprised how often this happens Spence is starting to get a reputation that is growing and a lot of fighters would look to swerve a contest with him.He needs to fight experienced fighters that he can showcase his talents against on a TV card more so when building a career,reputation.

Bolanos I have honestly from memory never seen fight,I read he is a natural light WW lost the last 5 and 3 have been stoppages.Spence can bang and I would be surprised if he doesn't stop Bolanos on recent history.

If that happens Bolanos leaves with a really decent purse,Spence less money but if he performs enhanced reputation and the money he can earn will be rewarded later down the line.The prospect gets paid better later down the line manager,promoter also if the fighter delivers that gents is the correct long term business plan for any good prospect.Is it a balancing act that can go wrong?Of course one punch can change everything but a career in it's infancy should be about long term goals.
Makingweight is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2014, 08:37 PM   #719
Thaimko Conteh
newbie
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 2
vCash: 500
Default Re: I am a boxing manager: if you have questions about the boxing biz, ask!

Hi,

I'm a boxer light heavy weight age 27. I reside in Germany. I am looking for a way to develop my boxing carrier. I am currently under contract with a boxing manager, but I don't see anything happening for me. I'm afraid that in the future I will not have the success that would mirror the work I put in the sport. I'm 2(1)-1-0. I am told I have more potential than my record implies. However I haven't been in the ring since 4.26.2014. But I have constantly been in training and ready to fight.

Now my manager gives me two choices. I either step in as stepping stone; my last offer was to fight the 30 year old ex-muay-thai-champion Nieky Holzken with 5(5)-0-0, or fight a lesser opponent for no money at all.

Before I signed the contract he promised me that although I won't be earning big bugs in the beginning stage of my carrier, I will at least be able to earn small money in small fights. He told me that I could fight every week if I wanted to. I told him I was alright with earning little money. I was alright with fighting every month, since I'm well conditioned and eager.

Now when I confront him with the money topic he tells me I am greedy, or I lack the intelligence to see the big picture, that in boxing you must invest before you can earn, contradicting his own promises, that I could at least earn a little money in small fights. He gets very evasive every time I bring it up.

After that last offer I told him:
I want to build up, then step up, then build up, then step up... and I don't care if I get paid a little, as long as I get paid a little! And I will fight the muay-thai-world-champion if it's for a title, but not at this point at my career.

My manager left the country in July and has been there ever since. We email every now and then. In my last email I told him my goal is to make a name for myself. I want to be build up. I want to fight for a title or a vacant title, at some point in the future. It can be German Champion. I don't care, as long there is procces. He was one of the many people who told me I got what it takes to make it big, so he must help me making it big! I developed a plan for my training, I developed a plan for my nutrition, I can't seem to develop a plan for my career. This is not what I had in mind. I need orientation. He responded: I need to be patient. Something may come up.

Now I don't want to blaspheme my manager. There is no TV contract. This is not Sauerland. I don't expect being offered a big money fight with a record of 2(1)-1-0. But I take the sport very seriously. I spend 18 to 30 hours every week training on my own, except when I visit other gyms for sparring. I always dominate in sparring. I don't mean to brag, I'm just saying, I don't see the sense in it all, when I fail to establish myself as a price fighter.

Now my common sense is telling me to stick to building up. But there's a voice in my head that urges me to do it the hard way: Fight any man, no matter the circumstances. To be the best I need to fight the best. I will gain the experience along the way. And that voice is getting louder. I guess that is what it boils down to.

I am highly motivated and I believe I got the skill to achieve something. But I don't know how exactly. I know how to fight. I don't know much about the biz.

Have you got any thoughts and/or advice that could
help me sort out the issues with my manager?
help me navigate my career in the right direction?

It would be very much appreciated.

Sincerely
Thaimko Conteh
Thaimko Conteh is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2014, 12:46 PM   #720
dempsey1234
Contender
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 716
vCash: 500
Default Re: I am a boxing manager: if you have questions about the boxing biz, ask!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Badbot View Post
Fantastic thread.



I too had a few amateur fights but after my second loss i only visited the gym twice in 3 years.
6 months ago when i did visit it, i was asked if i am a fighter because of the way i worked the heavybag. And i looked decent in sparring.

To everyones shock i am 0-2 and both losses were referee stoppages. No one really believed me. Well the heavybag doesnt hit you back

So, is it a combination of both how you look in the gym and in the ring or does one get the benefit of the doubt because of his record?
IT DEPENDS ON THE FIGHTER AND WHO IS DOING THE LOOKING, THE CURRENT WBC 126 PD CHAMP STARTED WITH AN 0-2 RECORD, ITS REALLY UP TO YOU TO TURNS THINGS AROUND AND ATTRACT ATTENTION.

Do managers pick fighters by looking at their record or do they make the decision while watching the fighter train and fight?

THEY DO BOTH, HERE IS AN EXAMPLE, I GET A LINE ON GUYS, BY WORD OF MOUTH. RECENTLY A FIGHTER'S FATHER CALLS ME AND SAYS, HIS SON IS 7-0, 7KO'S AND HE WAS FIGHTING THE FOLLOWING WEDNESDAY, WOULD I CONSIDER REPRESENTING HIM. STALLING FOR TIME, COS I DIDNT KNOW THE KID. I TOLD HIM, "LET'S SEE HOW HE DOES WEDNESDAY", COS 7-0 WITH 7KO'S IN MEXICO IS NOT LIKE 7-0, 7KO'S, HERE. AS IT TURNED OUT HE LOST HIS "0" BY KO TO A GUY WHO WAS 2-0, 2KO'S COMING IN.
I KEYED ON THE WINNER FOUND OUT THE GUY FACED ANOTHER UNDEFEATED FIGHT FROM AN ELITE STABLE OF FIGHTERS WHICH INCLUDES "CANELO". CANELO'S GUY WAS TRYING TO IMRESS, THE GOLDEN ONE, OSCAR D, HE WAS IN THE HOUSE. MY GUY FLATTENED CANELO'S PROSPECT IN THE 2ND RD, MY GUY WAS 1-0, 1KO COMING IN. THE KID IS NOW 6-0,6KO'S, THIS PAST WEEK HE FOUGHT SUPPOSEDLY THE TOUGHEST OPPONENT YET, A GUY WHO WAS 14-3, COMING IN, WELL, IT ENDED AT :36SEC INTO THE 1ST
RD.
Seems to me like GBP just wanted to sign any US olympian eventhough some of them never really acomplished much. For instance Raushee ****** is a 3 time olympian but inside the ring he looks mediocre.

TRUE, IN THE AMATEURS HE STOPPED A BUNCH OF GUYS AS A PRO HE HAS FAILED TO IMPRESS. PROMOTERS SIGN BIG AMATEURS AND OLYMPIC STARS COS IT'S EASIER TO MOVE THEM AND TV IS ALWAYS INTERESTED IN OLYMPIANS.
dempsey1234 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Reply

Boxing News 24 Forum > Boxing > Boxing Training/Amateur Boxing

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump





All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:33 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Boxing News 24 Forum 2013