Bayram vs Baysangurov - Page 2

NBT · 07-08-2007, 03:37 AM

I only watched from the 8th round to the end but from what I saw Baysangurov should have won the fight easily and clearly. Sure, it was no dominant performance but he was the aggeressor and threw the sharper and better punches, the Arab dude's punches looked like they had nothing on them. Judging from the 2nd half of the fight, the outcome should have been much more decisive so the close scoring is a bit of a surprise to me but I can't comment on the first half.

Tom_Tocca · 07-08-2007, 04:00 AM

Hey Fitir, I think you still haven't got your hands on Baysangurov's last fights before Bayram.

Zaurbek was really rusty coming of 10! month layoff due to promotional difficulties (visa problems i.e.). This was a Baysangurov at about 50% and he felt uncomfortable with the situation fighting at an attendance of approx. 14.000 people.

His performance really disappointed me (I had him winning 115-113 /w point deduction) because it was the first fight of him that I attended live...

Fitir · 07-08-2007, 06:07 AM

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Zaurbek was really rusty coming of 10! month layoff due to promotional difficulties (visa problems i.e.). This was a Baysangurov at about 50% and he felt uncomfortable with the situation fighting at an attendance of approx. 14.000 people.

Poor excuses that shouldn't have been given if Baysangurov was a true champion. He didn't "beat" Bayram for the EBU title. The decision is not a scandal of course but I had it a draw and for such a close fight it would have been fair.
You have to be ready for a title fight and a 10 months layoff is not unusual in modern boxing, it's normal. About the pressure he was not in the main event and he had his amateur background. Watch fights with the young Juan Diaz. Truth is that Baysangurov was unable to dominate Bayram in terms of technical skills.

Toney · 07-08-2007, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Fitir

Poor excuses that shouldn't have been given if Baysangurov was a true champion. He didn't "beat" Bayram for the EBU title. The decision is not a scandal of course but I had it a draw and for such a close fight it would have been fair.
You have to be ready for a title fight and a 10 months layoff is not unusual in modern boxing, it's normal. About the pressure he was not in the main event and he had his amateur background. Watch fights with the young Juan Diaz. Truth is that Baysangurov was unable to dominate Bayram in terms of technical skills.

I have to agree. Even if Baysangurov did not have a good day, he sure did not show ANY sensational skills. It looked to be a B-class fight. Just two B-class boxers. Someone like Lukas Konechy would had easilly beaten Baysangurov last night, although Konechy aint even close of being a world class fighter. I would pick even someone like Brice Faradji over Baysangurov.

Don´t hype this guy before he shows any skills!

Fitir · 07-08-2007, 08:02 AM

It's a bit extreme. I don't know what you mean by B-level but Bayram and Baysangurov have the EBU level and they deserved the shot imo. Can they step up ? For Bayram things won't change and he won't improve. For Baysangurov things can change but he will have to prove it in the ring cause he failed to impress for his first test in a title fight...

Toney · 07-08-2007, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Fitir

It's a bit extreme. I don't know what you mean by B-level but Bayram and Baysangurov have the EBU level and they deserved the shot imo. Can they step up ? For Bayram things won't change and he won't improve. For Baysangurov things can change but he will have to prove it in the ring cause he failed to impress for his first test in a title fight...

Baysangurov might have Some talent, that is true. But he is no super talent as someone here talks.

Fitir · 07-08-2007, 06:04 PM

The 3 judges gave rounds 8=>12 to Baysangurov... I wonder what Odo etc. will have to say about the decision obtained by the future Sauerland megastar. Cheater, dirty fighter, protected. You were true : this guy has the tools to become a world titleholder. Boxing is a sad sport.

Jens S · 07-09-2007, 04:47 AM

I had it 115-113 Baysangurov. After 8 rounds he trailed by one point, but he won rounds 9-11 on my card and I had it 10-10 in round 12. I spoke with two from the press row in Köln Arena. They both had it 115-112 for Baysangurov. Baysangurov is only 22, and I think this match is not enough to judge him on. He showed determination against a tough opponent. It is a young age to win an EBU-title though.

Andy Lee was impressive in his fight.

Balog was dissapointing and unsharp. Haven't seen him before. I heard he was a good amateur, but he showed very little saturday night.

Haxhi Krasniqi got a controversial win. We were two who had him losing by one point and one had it a draw. But the judges saw it 59-55, 59-56 and 57-56. Krasniqi had clearly gotten the scores and ran. Butler being a thinking man figured that out and started chasing Krasniqi and opened himself to counter and lost the round. Even if Butler had won the last round and scored a knockdown, he wouldn't have won. The two judges that only had Butler winning one round was a disgrace.

Jens

PS. I was at the press meeting. I had been thinking about where Vitali was. He wasn't at ringside as far as I could see. When we left, we almost physically bumbed into him. When 3-4 people saw him and wanted to take photos and get photos, Vitali started to jog and ran inside. What he didn't know was that right inside the door was a crowd of 50-75 ukrainians hoping to get a glimpse of Wladimir

Odo · 07-10-2007, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Fitir

The 3 judges gave rounds 8=>12 to Baysangurov... I wonder what Odo etc. will have to say about the decision obtained by the future Sauerland megastar. Cheater, dirty fighter, protected. You were true : this guy has the tools to become a world titleholder. Boxing is a sad sport.

Well,I still hope and think that he can make it to the top of his weight division.
He had a very close fight with Bayram-a much tougher fight than I had expected before.
Anyway! He is still a very young talent,and you should watch some of his other fights,fitr.
Kassim Ouma had a death and life struggle with Rubio whereas Zaurbek easily dominated him winning a wide point decision.
Megastar? I dont think so! Why? Because he is hardly marketable outside Chechnya and some Arab countries.
He is a Chechen-not easy to sell a guy from that murderous region to the public in other countries,isnt it!
And yes,he has the skills to be a world champ IMO.
Besides he beat Bayram,didnt he! And lets not forget that Bayram is no pushover at all.

valdosta · 07-11-2007, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Odo

Kassim Ouma had a death and life struggle with Rubio whereas Zaurbek easily dominated him winning a wide point decision.

Sorry but absolutely not. Ouma struggled for 2 rounds then won about 8 rounds in the fight. Nowhere near life and death.

Odo · 07-13-2007, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by valdosta

Sorry but absolutely not. Ouma struggled for 2 rounds then won about 8 rounds in the fight. Nowhere near life and death.

Ouman could call himself happy to be able to win that fight that night,couldnt he!
Rubio boiled the African in hot water whereas Baysangurov kept throwing buckets of cold water into Rubio's face!
The young Chechen knew how to keep a burning fire under control.

valdosta · 07-17-2007, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Odo

Ouman could call himself happy to be able to win that fight that night,couldnt he!
Rubio boiled the African in hot water whereas Baysangurov kept throwing buckets of cold water into Rubio's face!
The young Chechen knew how to keep a burning fire under control.

Lucky to win the fight? Did you even see the fight or just look at the scores? Ouma won VERY decisively and almost got screwed.

albaneze · 07-17-2007, 05:28 AM

Baysangurov Deserved the win though he did some mistakes which i think has time to repair in due time, still young.

Odo · 07-17-2007, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by valdosta

Lucky to win the fight? Did you even see the fight or just look at the scores? Ouma won VERY decisively and almost got screwed.

Ouma wouldnt have won that fight in Mexico! You sure we are talking about the same fight,mate!
Ouma struggled with Rubio-no way that he won that fight decisively.
Yes,he did win that fight,but you make it sound as if Ouma were dominating throughout almost all rounds!
He wasnt.Rubio won more than two rounds against him IMO.

valdosta · 07-18-2007, 08:16 PM

LOL@ Rubio would have won the fight in Mexico. Ouma won the fight easily and a LOT of people were pissed off about the 1 bad scorecard. Rightfully so to, Rubio didn't win more than 3 or 4 rounds. He lost VERY decisively and NOBODY thought he won. Then again the 2 judges who watched the fight with there eyes open thought Ouma won 9 and 10 rounds as well. The guy with his eyes closed had Rubio winning. Ouma beat that ass after being dropped.

07-08-2007, 03:37 AM	#16
NBT Mοderator of Death ESB Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,393 vCash: 1000	Re: Bayram vs Baysangurov I only watched from the 8th round to the end but from what I saw Baysangurov should have won the fight easily and clearly. Sure, it was no dominant performance but he was the aggeressor and threw the sharper and better punches, the Arab dude's punches looked like they had nothing on them. Judging from the 2nd half of the fight, the outcome should have been much more decisive so the close scoring is a bit of a surprise to me but I can't comment on the first half.
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07-08-2007, 04:00 AM	#17
Tom_Tocca The Provider ESB Addict Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 3,095 vCash: 1000	Re: Bayram vs Baysangurov Hey Fitir, I think you still haven't got your hands on Baysangurov's last fights before Bayram. Zaurbek was really rusty coming of 10! month layoff due to promotional difficulties (visa problems i.e.). This was a Baysangurov at about 50% and he felt uncomfortable with the situation fighting at an attendance of approx. 14.000 people. His performance really disappointed me (I had him winning 115-113 /w point deduction) because it was the first fight of him that I attended live...
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07-08-2007, 08:02 AM	#20
Fitir Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 326 vCash: 1000	Re: Bayram vs Baysangurov It's a bit extreme. I don't know what you mean by B-level but Bayram and Baysangurov have the EBU level and they deserved the shot imo. Can they step up ? For Bayram things won't change and he won't improve. For Baysangurov things can change but he will have to prove it in the ring cause he failed to impress for his first test in a title fight...
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07-08-2007, 06:04 PM	#22
Fitir Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 326 vCash: 1000	Re: Bayram vs Baysangurov The 3 judges gave rounds 8=>12 to Baysangurov... I wonder what Odo etc. will have to say about the decision obtained by the future Sauerland megastar. Cheater, dirty fighter, protected. You were true : this guy has the tools to become a world titleholder. Boxing is a sad sport. Last edited by Marnoff; 02-24-2006 at 02:44 PM.
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07-09-2007, 04:47 AM	#23
Jens S Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Kingdom of Denmark Posts: 158 vCash: 1000	Re: Bayram vs Baysangurov I had it 115-113 Baysangurov. After 8 rounds he trailed by one point, but he won rounds 9-11 on my card and I had it 10-10 in round 12. I spoke with two from the press row in Köln Arena. They both had it 115-112 for Baysangurov. Baysangurov is only 22, and I think this match is not enough to judge him on. He showed determination against a tough opponent. It is a young age to win an EBU-title though. Andy Lee was impressive in his fight. Balog was dissapointing and unsharp. Haven't seen him before. I heard he was a good amateur, but he showed very little saturday night. Haxhi Krasniqi got a controversial win. We were two who had him losing by one point and one had it a draw. But the judges saw it 59-55, 59-56 and 57-56. Krasniqi had clearly gotten the scores and ran. Butler being a thinking man figured that out and started chasing Krasniqi and opened himself to counter and lost the round. Even if Butler had won the last round and scored a knockdown, he wouldn't have won. The two judges that only had Butler winning one round was a disgrace. Jens PS. I was at the press meeting. I had been thinking about where Vitali was. He wasn't at ringside as far as I could see. When we left, we almost physically bumbed into him. When 3-4 people saw him and wanted to take photos and get photos, Vitali started to jog and ran inside. What he didn't know was that right inside the door was a crowd of 50-75 ukrainians hoping to get a glimpse of Wladimir
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07-17-2007, 05:28 AM	#28
albaneze HAXHI - The new Champ ESB Jr Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Eagle's Land Posts: 157 vCash: 1000	Re: Bayram vs Baysangurov Baysangurov Deserved the win though he did some mistakes which i think has time to repair in due time, still young.
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07-18-2007, 08:16 PM	#30
valdosta Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 243 vCash: 1000	Re: Bayram vs Baysangurov LOL@ Rubio would have won the fight in Mexico. Ouma won the fight easily and a LOT of people were pissed off about the 1 bad scorecard. Rightfully so to, Rubio didn't win more than 3 or 4 rounds. He lost VERY decisively and NOBODY thought he won. Then again the 2 judges who watched the fight with there eyes open thought Ouma won 9 and 10 rounds as well. The guy with his eyes closed had Rubio winning. Ouma beat that ass after being dropped.
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