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Old 07-18-2007, 11:39 AM   #31
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I could quote what some contemporary sources said about the division last week.

Sure I think the 30s list is better. The resumes of the 30s ranked fighters are clearly superior.
You will need to do the same thing for early 1930's, as what you said above for today's heavyweights. Ie, quote some contemporary sources that claimed the division was very good.
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Old 07-18-2007, 12:27 PM   #32
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You will need to do the same thing for early 1930's, as what you said above for today's heavyweights. Ie, quote some contemporary sources that claimed the division was very good.
Let's just match up the two lists and compare their resumes.

The result will be prety clear cut.
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Old 07-18-2007, 12:50 PM   #33
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You will have the benefit of history-revisionism. Current crop of heavyweights will most surely be looked upon more favorably as the years pass. You have to look at contemporary opinions for comparison to be fair.
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Old 07-18-2007, 12:58 PM   #34
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If you think those poor top10 are better than the current one, my only advise would be for you to get some contemporary sources, Ring magazine if you can get those old issues, or just newspaper articles from the time, and see what the people from that time thought about that heavyweight division.
Ahhhhh,

Have you been paying attention to what people say on an almost daily basis about TODAY'S heavyweight division?
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Old 07-18-2007, 01:01 PM   #35
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Walker beat a lot of men the size of Ruiz. Usualy in the first round.

Size alone is not going to win it for Ruiz.
Agreed,

Ruiz was horribly outboxed by a 34 year old, 5'10" 195 pound Roy Jones, who was making his heavyweight debut, and had never even fought a cruiserweight.
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Old 07-18-2007, 01:08 PM   #36
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When did Roy Jones Jr shrink by 1" of height and increased by 2lb in (official) weight? Can't get your facts correct?
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Old 07-18-2007, 01:13 PM   #37
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=Senya13]When did Roy Jones Jr shrink by 1" of height and increased by 2lb in (official) weight?
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Can't get your facts correct?
Lol. You have a long way to go before you can talk to me about getting facts straight my good man.
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Old 07-18-2007, 02:00 PM   #38
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Well they were saying the same about the 30s division at the time. Not that it is true but i don´t think the today´s division is as bad as it is made up.
Understood,

Except Senya often tries to debate the inferiority of past eras by mentioning what critics said about them, at the time. My only point by bringing up today's critics, is that if he's going to pull that crap, then it works both ways
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Old 07-18-2007, 04:34 PM   #39
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Ruiz cheated his opponents, and the sport - that's what upsets me. He is exhibit A of everything wrong with this sport, a fighter who would NEVER have won more than a regional belt without his connections to King.
The coming from the guy that tries to say Evander Headbuttingfield is the best heavyweight of the last 30 years?

I don't think so.
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Old 07-18-2007, 05:30 PM   #40
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The coming from the guy that tries to say Evander Headbuttingfield is the best heavyweight of the last 30 years?

I don't think so.
Holyfield's headbutting is WAY over-exagerated, primarily by Tyson fans who want to excuse his transgressions. And, in any event, Holyfield was not even accused of this to my knowlege, when he was at his best. It is only as he began to slip that he adopted a style that seemed to lend itself to more head clashes.

In any event, there is a big difference between a fading great using illegal tactics to SUPPLEMENT his skills, and a talentless hack like Ruiz using shameful cheating as a REPLACEMENT for them.

What makes the Ruiz Scandal so disgusting is that without illegal holding, faking low blows, and the influence of Don King that greased the wheels for this crap - nobody ever would've heard of Ruiz after he was starched by Tua.
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Old 07-19-2007, 08:31 AM   #41
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Holyfield's headbutting is WAY over-exagerated, primarily by Tyson fans who want to excuse his transgressions. And, in any event, Holyfield was not even accused of this to my knowlege, when he was at his best. It is only as he began to slip that he adopted a style that seemed to lend itself to more head clashes.

In any event, there is a big difference between a fading great using illegal tactics to SUPPLEMENT his skills, and a talentless hack like Ruiz using shameful cheating as a REPLACEMENT for them.

What makes the Ruiz Scandal so disgusting is that without illegal holding, faking low blows, and the influence of Don King that greased the wheels for this crap - nobody ever would've heard of Ruiz after he was starched by Tua.
He adopted a style that lent itself to more headclashes? So a Tyson fan could say that Tyson adopted a style that lent itself to more opponents placing body parts into his mouth?

You can't call a guy out for questionable tactics when the same guy you hype makes his living doing the same shit. Holyfields a headbutter. Same a Ruiz is a hugger.
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