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Old 07-20-2007, 11:38 PM   #16
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I agree Cross Trainer, we could see more styles. The current crop of styles are dominant because they have evolved because of their success in the sport, BJJ specifically, which is an effective style as well as Sambo and catch wrestling, then kickboxing for striking. I'd also like to see some true masterful Judoka's cross train in some other styles that would at least give them enough defence against hybrid styles, that would be fantastic.

Cung Le may or may not do well at a higher level, but from what I have observed so far, his style can in fact be very effective in MMA, he does too many stupid moves to please the crowd, if he went into a bare bones effective version, he may have success, because he has a very competant takedown D.

Styles like Taijutsu would be extremely effective, but they need to be worked on becoming suited for MMA rules.

I think we'll see more styles emerging, it will help the sport evolve even more.
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Old 07-20-2007, 11:46 PM   #17
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Not to mention, the original UFC days were partly used for the Gracie's to sell BJJ to the world. What would have happened to Royce Gracie in the early events had he faced a...

Let's just use San Shou again since it utilises grappling as well...

A competant San Shou practicioner, he'd have been destroyed. Keith Hackney gave him a decent fight while it lasted.

Those styles were extremely selected to be tailor made for BJJ, and the fighters pretty average, including Ken Shamrock. Now, this isn't to say that Rickson Gracie wouldn't have blown out a competant style that uses grappling and striking, because despite him being a comfort zone cunt, he was very good and would have annihilated the early fighters...

But they surely sold BJJ, even though I think traditional Jujutsu is just as effective, if not more when used in cross training.
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Old 07-21-2007, 12:06 AM   #18
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As if on cue...

Just found this show, watched the first episode, and liked it. These fellows (MMA guy with a 16-4 record and a former All-American wrestler and football player) go around the world fighting opponents in their own disciplines, under their own rules:

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Hardly the same as champion vs. champion, but it's still a neat little show.
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Old 07-21-2007, 12:08 AM   #19
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Not to mention, the original UFC days were partly used for the Gracie's to sell BJJ to the world. What would have happened to Royce Gracie in the early events had he faced a...

Let's just use San Shou again since it utilises grappling as well...

A competant San Shou practicioner, he'd have been destroyed. Keith Hackney gave him a decent fight while it lasted.

Those styles were extremely selected to be tailor made for BJJ, and the fighters pretty average, including Ken Shamrock. Now, this isn't to say that Rickson Gracie wouldn't have blown out a competant style that uses grappling and striking, because despite him being a comfort zone cunt, he was very good and would have annihilated the early fighters...

But they surely sold BJJ, even though I think traditional Jujutsu is just as effective, if not more when used in cross training.
Shamrock was pretty good....Severn was quite qualified, as was Ichihara (judo + kyokushin Daido Juku champion). Pardoel may have been a good opponent as well, and Pat Smith won the Sabaki Challenge, which is quite reputable (though a striking based tournament, admittedly)

They were a bit selective, but the competition was pretty good considering the entrants they had to work with.
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Old 07-21-2007, 12:50 AM   #20
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Care to explain why that would help them? There would be no rounds for them to wait out to be stood up, no standups from the ref, and once on the ground they could be headbutted. Dirty moves work both ways, so thats kind of a moot point, if anything they would be in a worse position to use dirty moves since they would be on bottom.

Current rules are better for thai fighters than vale tudo rules.
arent elbows illegal in UFC?
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Old 07-21-2007, 01:03 AM   #21
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im almost 100% taht downward elbow strikes are illegal
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Old 07-21-2007, 01:15 AM   #22
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i think the reaspon the rule is there is so there are no "rabbit elbows" lol which could probably kill someone easier then the other strikes
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