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Old 07-24-2007, 07:12 AM   #46
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Harsh....

It was not just the 70s; with the exception of the odd glorious defeat, British Heavies always sucked at World level in the 20th Century until Lennox came along.
really
brian london - out boxed floyd patterson

'enry copper - knocked down ali and made dundee all types of tricks to save him.

joe bugner was a decent heavy he had a great fight with ali frazier and even when he was 40 odd years old was fighting bruno in a really compettative fight.


to say they were weak is true as julius francis wasnt amazing but men like sprott ,williams even skelton i feel should do alot at the eurpean stage and a have a decent crack at the world stage maybe not sprott but he could give some protected heavies a bad reputatoin
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Old 07-24-2007, 07:16 AM   #47
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I say this often, but I don't dislike any fighters. I only dislike certain actions.

Oscar de la Hoya

1. Not giving Pernell Whitaker a rematch. He then went on to fight David Kamau, who earned a shot by losing to Chavez at a lower rate; Hector Camacho, who had proven himself so greatly at welter; and Wilfredo Rivera, who recently lost to Whitaker; Patrick Charpentier, forgivable because he was a mandatory; Julio Cesar Chavez, too little too late.

2. Did not give Quartey a rematch after winning a disputed decison against him. In the post fight interview he even said something like "...you think it was a good fight, Larry. I don't think it was a good fight, Larry." It was the best fight he'd been in at that point in his career.

3. Has yet to make up for his robbery of Sturm. I understand not fighting him for his chance to go after Hopkins. At least promote a fight for him, and get him a decent pay day.
i have been saying this for years he is a politician not a boxer he picks his fights so well and does all these tricks to stay on his feet....and then smiles and says im going to knokc him out just to make every one think he is the real deal...6 wieght classes is very good amazing almost but his wins over people were very very dubios his only robbery was trinidad...thats it
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But what do you think Smith's problem was ? Did he just freeze in the face of the much-hyped Tyson ? Was it sheer intimidation ?
Immediately after Smith kayoed Frank Bruno, he was asked why he did nothing for the first nine rounds, and he simply replied that it was "Because I was tight!" To me, Smith/Tyson looked an awful lot like Smith/Bruno, except that in the case of Smith/Tyson James waited until the end of round 12 to get uncorked.

Bonecrusher Smith is one of the more frustrating cases in heavyweight history to me. At his very best, he was a big and very well conditioned fellow who could bomb an opponent out quickly, or maintain kayo power for as long as a match lasted. Larry Holmes took him on coming off the Bruno kayo, and may have been the only man in boxing who could have scored a stoppage over him at that high point in his career.

Although he did get the knockout against Bruno, Frank had done all the work up to that point, and it seems to me that referee Harry Gibbs could have tossed Smith out of the bout for not fighting by the time the tenth frame had rolled around. If you don't make an effort to compete, should you be given a chance to win? In Kinshasa, Ali gave Foreman seven rounds of hell before knocking him out. Yes, Muhammad was laying back on the ropes, but he was also zapping George with lightning bolt rights the whole time, hardly punching bag behavior.
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