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Old 06-12-2008, 12:01 PM   #1
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Default Has the lightheavyweight division seen a truly dominant champ since Spinks left?

Micheal Spinks vacated the lightheavyweight division in 1985 ( 23 years ago ) to persue capturing the heavyweight crown. He had unified all existing titles, and left with a record of 27-0-0-19. Over the years, the division has seen a large volume of quality talent, but has any champion ever really filled his shoes in all that time? Roy Jones certainly made an impact on the division, by capturing many titles, beating decent comp and giving us some nice fights to watch. But, he only spent part of his career there, some of which was spent during past prime years, and his overall record at lightheavyweight is something like 18-4-0-9. I'm not sure that I can rate him above Michael as a better champion at that class. Virgil Hill was definately a great fighter, but he never unified, and was beaten by an aging Hearns during his prime years.

What do you think?
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Old 06-12-2008, 12:18 PM   #2
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Speaking of Hill...

Michalczewski is a great choice here.

Held the WBO LH belt for almost a decade, and the IBF belt for a short peroid of time as well.

Went 46-0 over the course of 12 years, only losing his final two fights when he was well past it.
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Old 06-12-2008, 12:44 PM   #3
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Speaking of Hill...

Michalczewski is a great choice here.

Held the WBO LH belt for almost a decade, and the IBF belt for a short peroid of time as well.

Went 46-0 over the course of 12 years, only losing his final two fights when he was well past it.
A very honorable mention. Michalczewski would have been an excellent victory for any champion to have on his record. I'm not sure if he can be fairly rated over Spinks though. Michael truly defeated every good lighheavyweight of his era before moving up. Nevertheless, it was a nice mention.
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:20 PM   #4
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Oh, I wouldn't rank him over Spinks either.

But like I said, he's a fair shout out for being a dominant LH after Spink's.
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:22 PM   #5
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Default Re: Has the lightheavyweight division seen a truly dominant champ since Spinks left?

Roy Jones was a dominant champ there, even if he wasn't lineal.

But no, Jones wasn't a greater LHW than Spinks.
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:26 PM   #6
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Default Re: Has the lightheavyweight division seen a truly dominant champ since Spinks left?

You just beat me with the mention of Jones.
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Old 06-12-2008, 05:07 PM   #7
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Default Re: Has the lightheavyweight division seen a truly dominant champ since Spinks left?

The lightheavyweight division has been on a bit of a slump since Spinks. Jones was excellent and so was Michaelcewski, but you could say there has been a bit of lack of talent.

Right now we have Chad Dawson who is pretty good, but the other big names are somewhat old; Tarver, Johnson, Calzaghe, Hopkins, Jones?
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Old 06-12-2008, 06:06 PM   #8
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Right now we have Chad Dawson who is pretty good, but the other big names are somewhat old; Tarver, Johnson, Calzaghe, Hopkins, Jones?
Unfortunately Chad Dawson could not have held up a candle to these somewhat old men in their respective primes.
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Old 06-12-2008, 11:02 PM   #9
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The light-heavyweight division has been a shambles since the conception of the super-middleweight division. The talent was basically just halved with that move. I don't see it regaining its stature any time soon, there doesn't appear to be any great prospects on the way.
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Old 06-13-2008, 12:14 AM   #10
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The light-heavyweight division has been a shambles since the conception of the super-middleweight division. The talent was basically just halved with that move. I don't see it regaining its stature any time soon, there doesn't appear to be any great prospects on the way.
That about sums up my view on this subject.
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Old 06-13-2008, 12:21 AM   #11
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Henry Maske!

Scintillating!
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Old 06-13-2008, 01:27 AM   #12
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Maske and Prince Charles Williams were good, but not great champions after Spinks. Jones was the only dominant champion after Spinks, but he fought mostly bums and agings ex-champs.
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Unfortunately Chad Dawson could not have held up a candle to these somewhat old men in their respective primes.
Not to Jones, but Tarver? His prime was pretty much when he was on the wrong side of 30. Same for Johnson. Calzaghe and Hopkins were middleweights in their primes.
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Old 06-13-2008, 05:26 AM   #14
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The divisio is not what it was in the Spinks era, but that was IMO the finest era of the division.

But on the plus side, many very good to Excellent fighters have fought at 175 post Spinks, it is just a shame some matches have not come off. The division could of taken off if Hill/Williams/Moorer and Harding had unified. But Moorer decided (rightly IMO) that perhaps the time was not right for a real test at 175 and Hill made decent money fighting mediocre opposition, so why bother risking bouts with Prince Charles or Harding?

Once Michalczweski won the World Championship it was a huge shame that a bout with his long time #1 contender RJJ was never made. But on the bright side at least the Championship has kept going and we have a true if not particularly well known World Champion in Erdei. It would be nice to see a Tarver or Calzaghe actually attempt to win a World Championship to add to their resumes, rather than their wallet.
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Old 06-13-2008, 11:40 AM   #15
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The division could of taken off if Hill/Williams/Moorer and Harding had unified. But Moorer decided (rightly IMO) that perhaps the time was not right for a real test at 175 and Hill made decent money fighting mediocre opposition, so why bother risking bouts with Prince Charles or Harding?
Good post, and I would like to discuss this part of it for a moment.

The lightheavyweight picture between 1989-1991, was indeed an interesting scenario, and one that as you have already commented on, could have materialized into a great era. We had Michael Moorer, Virgil Hill, Prince Charles, Jeff Harding, Denis Andries, Thomas Hearns, Bobby Czyz, and a few decent prospects in Hembrick and Maynard. If the managers and promotors had gotten together and done some hard negotiating along with creative match making, the division could have very easily materialized into one of boxing's most watched weight classes. Unfortunately though, the right fights never came off, and some of the better participants either vacated the division or were upset in fights that they probably shouldn't have been. Hill being outboxed by an aging Hearns, and Harding getting Ko'd by an ancient Andries did neither them, nor the division any service.
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