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Old 07-27-2007, 04:01 PM   #31
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Ruiz - Jones?

Turner - Burley?

I bet you can think of plenty more...
Ruiz was not the puncher that Peter is, or is he quite as massive. I would give Peter a far better chance than Ruiz against Jones as well. The fact that Calzaghe's punches have little force on them would compound the issue.
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Ruiz was not the puncher that Peter is, or is he quite as massive. I would give Peter a far better chance than Ruiz against Jones as well. The fact that Calzaghe's punches have little force on them would compound the issue.
Calzaghe holds back a little on his punches to avoid risking a broken hand when he feels he is on top. Against Peter, he would have to comit to punches 100%. I think what is most likely is that he would break his hands and be stopped, but if he didn't, I think he would have enough pep in his shots to keep Peter of. Not that Peter catching him would neccesarily be a problem...

Perhaps you are right about Peter having a better chance v the version of Jones that Ruiz fought.
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Old 07-27-2007, 04:41 PM   #33
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The losses were for a very big part past his prime. 15 of the 19 cane after he was past 35 years of age.
Calzaghe is also currently past 35 years of age. Of course, he didn't have the kind of wars that SRR did, either.
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Old 07-27-2007, 04:49 PM   #34
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True, he didn't fight as much in his whole career as SRR did when he was past 35 years of age.
Somewhat sad, isn't it? Even though technical boxing may have advanced slightly since SRR's time, and definitely advanced since Greb, the sheer experience difference between the old and new fighters is often staggering.
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True, he didn't fight as much in his whole career as SRR did when he was past 35 years of age.
Is that really true?
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Somewhat sad, isn't it?

Yeah, although he should have fought better fighters rather than more fighters.
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Are you in any way insinuating that SRR didn't face better fighters than Calzaghe.



No.

The "he" is Calzaghe. I'm happy with the numbers, just unhappy with the quality.

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Are you in any way insinuating that SRR didn't face better fighters than Calzaghe?

When he was in his latter days was really when he was facing a lot of his top competition, such as Gene Fullmer and Carmen Basilio.
Basilio made his name against Robinson and nobody else in all seriousness, you can list other names on his resume but they are just guys that lost to the guy who gave Robinson a little trouble - fullstop- Byron Mitchell probably KOs Bastilo in the 4th -fullstop-
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Are you in any way insinuating that SRR didn't face better fighters than Calzaghe?
Robinson did not face one opponent who could even trouble Calzaghe, not even on a P4P basis -fullstop-
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Robinson did not face one opponent who could even trouble Calzaghe, not even on a P4P basis -fullstop-

This is actually the stupidist thing you have ever said.

Impressive.

Calzaghe has failed to fight even one ATG. He's somehow missed out on Johnson, Jones, Hopkins, Ottke, Woods, Toney, if you wanted to infer that Calzaghe was protected or a coward it would not be difficult.
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This is actually the stupidist thing you have ever said.

Impressive.

Calzaghe has failed to fight even one ATG. He's somehow missed out on Johnson, Jones, Hopkins, Ottke, Woods, Toney, if you wanted to infer that Calzaghe was protected or a coward it would not be difficult.
A skilled coward is still skilled -fullstop-
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Old 07-28-2007, 05:13 AM   #42
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Calzaghe beats robbie at 168 and is knocked out or heavily outpointed by peter. Robbie or joe have no chance versus peter,especially robby...
I dont see why you classic guys are overlooking calzaghe,he is better at 168 than robbie,especially when you consider todays 168 is like the 175 of yesterday with the day before weigh ins...Not many fighters retain their skills/power/effectiveness at three original divisions (of the original eight i mean.) And welter to middle to supermiddle/lt heavy is too much for robbie,especially againt one of the atgs at the weight....Maybe calzaghe doesnt have the best resume,but neither does jones at lt heavy or nard at middle. Yet with some fighters it the actual FOOTAGE and the style that makes them great,sometimes its not the fighters fault they couldnt secure the great matches....Nard,jones and PBF also havent fought all the best guys available to fight,neither did robbie.....
Purely on styles,weight and footage calzaghe is better at todays 168 than robbie...
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