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Old 07-30-2008, 03:31 AM   #1
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Default Is Freddie Roach selling out Manny Pacquiao??

This guys is the one that jumped up and got wet when Oscar asked him to train him for the Mayweather fight, putting Manny second place.

Now after working with both very close and knowing that DLH is bigger, more powerful, and can potentially hurt Pac very bad with a series of left hooks or perhaps just one, he is tellin Pac he could beat DLH and even KNOCK him OUT!

Is Roach making Pac believe he can win because he wants another Trainer Mega Pay Day? I can't see how an expert, professional, and experienced trainer could actually believe this. I'm lead to believe he is selling Manny out for a Mega Pay day.
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Old 07-30-2008, 03:49 AM   #2
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Not only do I believe that's right, I think Freddie's still packin' a hard-on over the fact DLH took Floyd Sr. back for the 2pound fight.
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Old 07-30-2008, 03:50 AM   #3
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Very good question, one of the best posts- Pac is surrounded by hangers, he is too nice and not in control of his own destiny. Roach knows Pac has only a couple of fights left. I dont want to see Pac get really hurt as is likely
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Old 07-30-2008, 11:28 AM   #4
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Well, Pac is asking for the 170,000 dollars in penalty fees for every pound Hoya goes over 147. He's got his mind on the seriousness of what could happen. I'm sure if Hoya does not give in to the demand the fight will not be made. Against Forbes Hoya weighed 150.5 and did not have to take the fight night weigh in. He had more time to prepare for the Forbes fight.
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Old 07-30-2008, 11:50 AM   #5
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Default Re: Is Freddie Roach selling out Manny Pacquiao??

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This guys is the one that jumped up and got wet when Oscar asked him to train him for the Mayweather fight, putting Manny second place.

Now after working with both very close and knowing that DLH is bigger, more powerful, and can potentially hurt Pac very bad with a series of left hooks or perhaps just one, he is tellin Pac he could beat DLH and even KNOCK him OUT!

Is Roach making Pac believe he can win because he wants another Trainer Mega Pay Day? I can't see how an expert, professional, and experienced trainer could actually believe this. I'm lead to believe he is selling Manny out for a Mega Pay day.
It's no secret that Roach gets a percentage from PAC's purse. Let's say 10% or $2M from the $20M purse but look at what's left for PAC, it's $18M (not accounting yet the other cuts).

Now which one you want to have $2M or $18M? I mean it's not solely for Roach's financial gain, everybody on Team Pacquiao will benefit it with PAC as the major beneficiary.
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Old 07-30-2008, 09:04 PM   #6
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Freddie Roach is a slime ball.
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Old 07-30-2008, 09:06 PM   #7
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No Arum is!
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Old 07-30-2008, 09:36 PM   #8
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No Arum is!
Arum isn't a trainer, he's a promotor.
Roach needs to be put in his place.
Crack the whip, Manny.
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Old 07-30-2008, 09:44 PM   #9
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Yes
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Old 07-30-2008, 09:50 PM   #10
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Roach needs to be put in his place.
Crack the whip, Manny.
I have no doubt that Manny feels the same as Roach....the two are basically best friends so imo Roach is probably continuously telling Manny "you can do it man, you can beat him. He can't handle your speed, etc" and Manny is buying into it all
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Old 07-30-2008, 09:58 PM   #11
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Roach knows that Pac only have about 3-5 good fights left for him. If Pac fight Hoya he will be getting pay like 3 good fights so win or lose Roach is set. Yea I feel Roach is selling Pac out.
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Old 07-30-2008, 10:00 PM   #12
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If I was Pac i'll take the fight too. Fighting Hoya will make me a good amount of money like fighting 3 good fight.
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Old 07-31-2008, 08:00 AM   #13
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Default Re: Is Freddie Roach selling out Manny Pacquiao??

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This guys is the one that jumped up and got wet when Oscar asked him to train him for the Mayweather fight, putting Manny second place.

Now after working with both very close and knowing that DLH is bigger, more powerful, and can potentially hurt Pac very bad with a series of left hooks or perhaps just one, he is tellin Pac he could beat DLH and even KNOCK him OUT!

Is Roach making Pac believe he can win because he wants another Trainer Mega Pay Day? I can't see how an expert, professional, and experienced trainer could actually believe this. I'm lead to believe he is selling Manny out for a Mega Pay day.
No. If anything Roach is selling Oscar out. He trained Oscar and then turned around and said Oscar can't get off his punches anymore, Pac will beat him. He's definately not selling out Pac.
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Old 07-31-2008, 08:04 AM   #14
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Well, Pac is asking for the 170,000 dollars in penalty fees for every pound Hoya goes over 147. He's got his mind on the seriousness of what could happen. I'm sure if Hoya does not give in to the demand the fight will not be made. Against Forbes Hoya weighed 150.5 and did not have to take the fight night weigh in. He had more time to prepare for the Forbes fight.
$170,000 is like $170 to Oscar De La Hoya.
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Old 07-31-2008, 08:05 AM   #15
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Default Re: Is Freddie Roach selling out Manny Pacquiao??

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This guys is the one that jumped up and got wet when Oscar asked him to train him for the Mayweather fight, putting Manny second place.

Now after working with both very close and knowing that DLH is bigger, more powerful, and can potentially hurt Pac very bad with a series of left hooks or perhaps just one, he is tellin Pac he could beat DLH and even KNOCK him OUT!

Is Roach making Pac believe he can win because he wants another Trainer Mega Pay Day? I can't see how an expert, professional, and experienced trainer could actually believe this. I'm lead to believe he is selling Manny out for a Mega Pay day.
That is hard for me to believe. The two seem to have a father/son relationship, and I do think Freddie Roach comes across as a genuine guy. By the same token, this is a business and I'm sure Roach would persue the biggest pay day just like the majority of people in the sport would. I agree that Roach likes the idea of the biggest pay day of his career, but I'm not to sure it it his intention to "sell out" Manny Pacquiao.

I've been the first to say that Oscar would seriously hurt Manny, and the fight should never happen because it'd be a farse. On the other hand, there are weaknesses in this version of Hoya that Pacman can take advantage of. Oscar's speed as detoriated, whereas Pacquiao is arguably one of the fastest fights in Boxing today in terms of handspeed. Likewise, Manny has better stamina at this point, and does pack some power at the lower weights, but I don't think for once second he'll be making any dents on anybody at 147lb.

I think Roach is being ambitious, but he does somewhere believe his man has what it takes to beat the bigger Hoya. However, he won't come and admit it, but he knows just as well as we do that Oscar has more than enough power to knock Manny Pacquiao out.

To answer the question, I don't think Roach is selling Pacquiao out. Their relationship seems to intimate.
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