IF Oscar had beaten Hopkins and Floyd?

The Man 247 · 06-21-2007, 04:36 AM

If Oscar had beaten Hopkins and Floyd. How would he go down in history. As one of the greatest? Please tell me your views.

tays001 · 06-21-2007, 05:28 AM

def a top 10probaly still is

BoxingKangaroo · 06-21-2007, 05:55 AM

he would deffinatley go down as a great if he got the nod against those 2 fighters, the hopkins fight was the only time i can recall oscar being convincingly beaten. other results could of gone his way (trinidad and mosley2) PBF was close, came down to the last round. in saying that though he was pretty lucky in my view to beat felix sturm.

Theo · 06-21-2007, 06:10 AM

i still consider oscar a great fighter, he willingness to fight anyone was always something i admired win loose or draw.

lets face it, oscar has fought the best competition since he was very young. he was robbed against trinadad, and i think in shane 2 (not robbed but should have got the nod)...

bernard was way tobig for him and well, PBF is something special isnt he?

PowerPuncher · 06-21-2007, 06:24 AM

HE still got gifts against Quartey, Whitaker, Sturm

If he'd beat Hopkins and Mayweather he wouldn't have been Oscar Delahoya, because Oscar can't manage that. And the Bhops he faced was ancient and the Mayweather he faced was 2 weight classes smaller.

See Me Flow · 06-21-2007, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerPuncher

HE still got gifts against Quartey, Whitaker, Sturm

kaygb · 06-21-2007, 11:23 AM

Oscars actual losses were Mosley twice, Trinidad, PBF, and hopkins.
Gift wins that should have been losses were Sturm, Whitaker, and Quartey.
That's 8 losses. His most impressive win considered by most fans is Vargas.
And
Vargas was shot when he fought Oscar. In the 3 fights befoe he fought Oscar he had been sent to the hospital twice overnight for observation he was beaten up so bad. The two fights before he fought Oscar he was knocked down by weak hitting rivera and in trouble repeatedly against journeyman
Shibata Flores.
So here is a fighter that should have 8 losses and a padded record of fighting smaller guys and the career defining fight was, acording to most, a beaten Vargas. How in the hell can you even think of putting Oscar in the top 5 or 10. Ring Mag had him at #78 in the top 100 at one time. After having 3 losses in his last 5 fights I wonder where they have him now.
would Oscar have been top 5 or top 10 by beating a 40 year old hopkins or PGF who was fighting 2 weight classes above his best weight? Are you serious?

acb · 06-21-2007, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by kaygb

Oscars actual losses were Mosley twice, Trinidad, PBF, and hopkins.
Gift wins that should have been losses were Sturm, Whitaker, and Quartey.
That's 8 losses. His most impressive win considered by most fans is Vargas.
And
Vargas was shot when he fought Oscar. In the 3 fights befoe he fought Oscar he had been sent to the hospital twice overnight for observation he was beaten up so bad. The two fights before he fought Oscar he was knocked down by weak hitting rivera and in trouble repeatedly against journeyman
Shibata Flores.
So here is a fighter that should have 8 losses and a padded record of fighting smaller guys and the career defining fight was, acording to most, a beaten Vargas. How in the hell can you even think of putting Oscar in the top 5 or 10. Ring Mag had him at #78 in the top 100 at one time. After having 3 losses in his last 5 fights I wonder where they have him now.

Lol you really are an Oscar hater arent you. If your going to include gift wins he got (I agree with him losing to Sturm, Whitaker could have gone either way, and he beat Quartay), you have to include that HE was robbed against Trinidad.

hell on legs · 06-21-2007, 11:37 AM

KYGel is a fuckwitt. He and Jack Prescott are the only 2 people on the planet that i hate, and i wouldn't have a clue who they are. Thats how fucked they are.

Caper · 06-21-2007, 12:00 PM

Oscar will always be a great boxing legends are a mixture of ability and popularity. I'm not saying this mixture holds true for all fans of the game but its reality. But to say "if" he beat someone would be a stretch because he didn't and I must agree I though he lost to Strum, Ike and Swea. It does not take away from his star power and his warrior like style in the ring (except for the Tito fight which was probably the worst preformance from both men while in their primes)

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BoxingKangaroo Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 459 vCash: 1000	Re: IF Oscar had beaten Hopkins and Floyd? he would deffinatley go down as a great if he got the nod against those 2 fighters, the hopkins fight was the only time i can recall oscar being convincingly beaten. other results could of gone his way (trinidad and mosley2) PBF was close, came down to the last round. in saying that though he was pretty lucky in my view to beat felix sturm.
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Theo Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: manchester, england. Posts: 265 vCash: 1000	Re: IF Oscar had beaten Hopkins and Floyd? i still consider oscar a great fighter, he willingness to fight anyone was always something i admired win loose or draw. lets face it, oscar has fought the best competition since he was very young. he was robbed against trinadad, and i think in shane 2 (not robbed but should have got the nod)... bernard was way tobig for him and well, PBF is something special isnt he?
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PowerPuncher ESB Junkie East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 30,729 vCash: 1000	Re: IF Oscar had beaten Hopkins and Floyd? HE still got gifts against Quartey, Whitaker, Sturm If he'd beat Hopkins and Mayweather he wouldn't have been Oscar Delahoya, because Oscar can't manage that. And the Bhops he faced was ancient and the Mayweather he faced was 2 weight classes smaller.
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kaygb Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 278 vCash: 1000	Re: IF Oscar had beaten Hopkins and Floyd? Oscars actual losses were Mosley twice, Trinidad, PBF, and hopkins. Gift wins that should have been losses were Sturm, Whitaker, and Quartey. That's 8 losses. His most impressive win considered by most fans is Vargas. And Vargas was shot when he fought Oscar. In the 3 fights befoe he fought Oscar he had been sent to the hospital twice overnight for observation he was beaten up so bad. The two fights before he fought Oscar he was knocked down by weak hitting rivera and in trouble repeatedly against journeyman Shibata Flores. So here is a fighter that should have 8 losses and a padded record of fighting smaller guys and the career defining fight was, acording to most, a beaten Vargas. How in the hell can you even think of putting Oscar in the top 5 or 10. Ring Mag had him at #78 in the top 100 at one time. After having 3 losses in his last 5 fights I wonder where they have him now. would Oscar have been top 5 or top 10 by beating a 40 year old hopkins or PGF who was fighting 2 weight classes above his best weight? Are you serious? Last edited by kaygb; 06-21-2007 at 11:28 AM.
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hell on legs The Human tank ESB Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: when Bruce banner got mad he turned into the hulk, when the hulk got mad he turned into hell on legs Posts: 970 vCash: 1000	Re: IF Oscar had beaten Hopkins and Floyd? KYGel is a fuckwitt. He and Jack Prescott are the only 2 people on the planet that i hate, and i wouldn't have a clue who they are. Thats how fucked they are.
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Caper How about a fair shake? ESB Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Jamaica, Queens NYC Posts: 3,289 vCash: 1000	Re: IF Oscar had beaten Hopkins and Floyd? Oscar will always be a great boxing legends are a mixture of ability and popularity. I'm not saying this mixture holds true for all fans of the game but its reality. But to say "if" he beat someone would be a stretch because he didn't and I must agree I though he lost to Strum, Ike and Swea. It does not take away from his star power and his warrior like style in the ring (except for the Tito fight which was probably the worst preformance from both men while in their primes)
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