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Old 08-09-2008, 07:42 AM   #31
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Very unsual that Duran never decided to trade as much with Hagler inside. I'm not saying Duran should have been seeking this for long periods, but when it came his way he should have said "what the hell, lets have it".
Duran tested the inside waters and found he couldn't match Hagler. So being the smart fighter that he is he tried various means from the outside. Tho outboxed on the whole there he had more success and was under less pressure.

IMO Duran fought the best fight he could have with what he had and what he was up against.
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Old 08-09-2008, 07:52 AM   #32
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HUH?!!?


That was easily the best win of Calzaghe's career, in a closely contested battle where he faced an elite opponent for the first time in his career.

Off night?

OFF NIGHT?
Yeah, right to what you said, but I still think that Calzaghe was not at his best and was capable of beating Hopkins by a wider margin and avoiding being knocked down as well. It was an OFF NIGHT....like so many quality fighters have, even in important fights.
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Old 08-09-2008, 07:52 AM   #33
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Duran tested the inside waters and found he couldn't match Hagler. So being the smart fighter that he is he tried various means from the outside. Tho outboxed on the whole there he had more success and was under less pressure.

IMO Duran fought the best fight he could have with what he had and what he was up against.
Yeah I agree. But he should tried to opened up more inside when Hagler got there instead of covering up defensively most of the time. And I did say previously that I would not expect him to be 'seeking' a physical fight, only when he was forced into it. I would not really say Duran tested the inside waters, certainly not offensively. Yes at times he punched inside, but rarely. He probably never wanted to get into his usual kind of fight at close quarters because he would have got a taste for it, thus fighting the totally opposite of how he planned and getting into a war. Duran fought a very programmed type of fight.

However, I do agree that he done as well as he could considering his disadvantages in power and strength.
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Old 08-09-2008, 08:37 AM   #34
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Maybe the fact that this fight was scheduled for fifteen also made duran a little conservative in his approach...
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Old 10-02-2015, 08:34 PM   #35
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No, this win over Duran has NOT been underrated. It was a subpar performance by Hagler, in that he betrayed, IMO, a certain indecisiveness, or tentativeness, like he was a bit too respectful of Duran, or at least of Duran's past image. When you compare this fight to what Hearns did to Duran, then it seems to be just an honest, subpar, offnight, so to speak for Hagler. Big deal, because great fighters sometime have offnights, like Monzon did in his 2nd bout with Griffith, and Calzaghe basically did vs. Hopkins, and there's so many, many more examples than that throughout boxing history. Marvelous Marvin STILL owned Hearns, and IMO, deserved the decision against Leonard, and to be sure, if their fight was scheduled for 15 AS ALL CHAMPIONSHIP FIGHTS SHOULD BE (!!!!!!!!) then Hagler would have decisively beaten Leonard, again, IMO.
I agree with this, except that I had Hagler losing by 2 or so to Leonard. Not an underrated win by any stretch.
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Old 10-02-2015, 09:07 PM   #36
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Funny I have mad respect for Hagler, he's the guy, and there's always usually one, who hooked me on boxing. Duran what can you say, he was a living legend. I think Hagler, for whatever reason didn't really fight his fight, which interesting enough, it's a hell of a lot different for Duran's. He's almost a bigger version of him. Did he give him to much respect, maybe, or maybe he just figured that Duran would eventually get tired and slow down during the championship rounds, which is exactly what happened.

As far as Duran thumbing Moore, to me at least, that was started by Bernstein and I'm not saying it didn't happen but neither can I say for sure that it did happen. It seems to me that he speculated that it happened and it just because accepted wisdom that it did. Does anyone know for sure whether or not Duran thumbed Moore?
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Old 10-03-2015, 01:47 AM   #37
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Hagler came in at 157 for Hamsho the first time and couldn't dent the iron chin. Came in over 159 for the rematch and KTFO in 3. Hagler obviously came in to box and sharp shoot an onrushing Duran, but Roberto was much too smart for that. Taking into consideration Duran's achievements in the following years I think Hagler gave a pretty impressive performance. Having said that he could have been more aggressive and gone for the stoppage instead of needlessly dancing around so much, but then he risked a thumb or a butt which he was obviously concerned about, especially after poor Davey Moore.
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Old 10-03-2015, 01:49 AM   #38
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As far as Duran thumbing Moore, to me at least, that was started by Bernstein and I'm not saying it didn't happen but neither can I say for sure that it did happen. It seems to me that he speculated that it happened and it just because accepted wisdom that it did. Does anyone know for sure whether or not Duran thumbed Moore?
I think Moore claimed this and that if I were Hagler, regardless of the truth of the matter, I would not want to take any chances.
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Old 10-03-2015, 09:45 AM   #39
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It was a good win.
I don't think it's underrated as a win, but perhaps Hagler's performance gets some undue criticism.
I'm in the camp that thinks Hagler deserved about 10 rounds. I thought those scorecards were well off.
Duran showed a lot of cleverness but didn't do enough to win more than 5 rounds.
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Old 10-04-2015, 05:18 AM   #40
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Good win for Hagler.Duran was in terrific shape for this one.


I had Hagler up by 2 points.he outhustled Duran down the stretch. close fight but a definitive win for Hagler
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Old 10-04-2015, 05:32 AM   #41
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I think Hagler has gotten too much criticism for it. Yeah he didn't overwhelm the smaller Duran. Duran was a very crafty fighter anyway.

The fight wasn't as close as the judges had it. I gave Hagler 10 rounds.

I gave Hagler nine rounds. Duran put up a good fight.
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Old 10-04-2015, 04:09 PM   #42
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Monzon still would have gotten Duran out of there.There is no way that Marvin should've let Roberto last that long.
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