Hagler - Baddest Mofo of our Era - Page 4

JohnThomas1 · 07-31-2007, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by buzzsaw

Yes we all found out what type of person he was outside of the ropes and he was rightfully punished. But before he was convicted he was just walking through the jr mid weight class.

He didn't fight a single top 10 opponent tho did he?

Titan1 · 07-31-2007, 08:19 AM

Davey Moore was waiting for him.

laxpdx · 07-31-2007, 08:27 AM

Yes we all found out what type of person he was outside of the ropes and he was rightfully punished. But before he was convicted he was just walking through the jr mid weight class.

He was sure to walk over Moore, Duran, Benitez, and Hearns.

laxpdx · 07-31-2007, 08:29 AM

Davey Moore was waiting for him.

Davey Moore had to have been thankful Tony never arrived. But it's a double-edged sword. Duran arrived instead. Davey Moore gave a new meaning to the phrase "ill-fated"...... God rest his soul.

Titan1 · 07-31-2007, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by laxpdx

Davey Moore was waiting for him.

Davey Moore had to have been thankful Tony never arrived. But it's a double-edged sword. Duran arrived instead. Davey Moore gave a new meaning to the phrase "ill-fated"...... God rest his soul.

All Davey had to do was to get Ayala into the mid and late rounds, and then he would've gotten him.Ayala had nice power, but was never truly tested.

enquirer · 07-31-2007, 08:54 AM

You saying ayala would have walked over duran,hearns and benitez?
Post some footage of this mythical god......He must be better than hagler leonard and robinson combined.......Are you his brother or something?

redrooster · 07-31-2007, 09:11 AM

Tony was the real deal. You all just don't know it. Tony was the new Harry Greb-just as nasty but with power in both hands. IMO, better than Mike Tyson could ever be but his career was cut short.

What Mantequilla said was right but I'm talking about what he could do inside the ring with his fists. And together with Macho Camacho, was the prospect of 1982-the sure thing, the right stuff, and future champion. a lock to become future champ and the only way it could be prevented was to keep him from fighting.

I favor Tony because he's younger, and naturally bigger and stronger and can punch holes thru most people. Benitez and Duran were dinosaurs. But Tommy with his youth and the fact that hadn't even reached his prime, would be expected to compete in a few years, maybe after Hagler finished with him.

Stewbear · 07-31-2007, 09:31 AM

Tyson a bad guy not baddest mofo lol
Anyway has to be Duran look at him in Hagler fight but Hagler also great pick.

Thread Stealer · 07-31-2007, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by hdog

Looked bad against Hearns but didn't look so bad against when Vito A. walked through everything he had in the first fight, didn't look so bad against Duran, either.

Does a bad guy legally change his name to "Marvelous" because he's jealous that everyone called Leonard "Sugar?"

For real. As much as I respect him as a boxer and have defended his skills (countless times from the newbies and casual fans that think he was a brawler without a lot of skill), he was kind of a whiner. "Nobody loves me like they love Gay Ray, so I'll legally change my name to feel more loved".

20 years after the Leonard fight, Hagler still whines about the decision whenever I see him talking about it. He's as bad as that one linebacker for the Raiders talking about the Immaculate Reception.

I don't think he looked bad against Hearns at all, though. I thought it was a brilliant performance which showed how he could fight out of character to succeed against a great fighter, and he had to take a big risk in order to do so.

Dostoevsky · 07-31-2007, 12:59 PM

I would put Duran at the top but the quitting against leonard and the brutal knockout loss to Hearns keeps him off the topshot.

Hagler takes it.

ThinBlack · 05-03-2013, 08:25 PM

Normally, I would say Marvin Hagler, but he went 15 rounds with Roberto Duran, so he loses some cool points, so I would say Mike Tyson.Can't see Carlos Monzon allowing Duran to survive past the fifth round.

MAG1965 · 05-03-2013, 08:26 PM

This thread is from 2007 before I was on ESB. Marvin was all about being a professional.

Waynegrade · 05-03-2013, 10:09 PM

So I`m biased because I`m from MA. and I kind of grew up watching Hagler climb the ranks. Later, I trained my son and we then fought out of Goody Petronelli`s gym with Goody becoming my sons head trainer. But, how could we not love Hagler ? Head shaved to a glistening point, mean scowl framed with a goatee. Body cut from granite,especially that chin. And THAT atitude ! No one gave him a damn thing so he always fought with that chip on his shoulder. Refusing to shake an opponents hand before any of his fights. but none of that bullshit kind of talk that PBF engage in before fights. Just a mean and focused demeanor. Hood over his head on the way to the ring, shadowboxing the whole time. And then his icy stare during the refs instructions... Hagler didn`t `play` tough, he was tough !And while some other tough fighters would play the part of being a bad-ass. With Hagler you just knew that he totally felt he WAS a bad-ass ! No fronting with Hagler... Goody said that he always walked to the ring with Hagler dead sure he would win. I asked him why ? he said, `because I always knew what we had in Marv,he didn`t think anyone could beat him`...

gentleman jim · 05-03-2013, 10:13 PM

Hagler respected Duran a little too much in thier fight but was in no danger of losing. When he truly didn't like or respect an opponent he could be downright murderous though. If only he and Leonard met a few years before. What a fight it would've been. Hagler at his best would've been a handful or more for any MW champion...I'll go with "more" instead of "handful" for the majority of those matchups.

red cobra · 05-04-2013, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MrSmall

Thoughts?
Just the way he carried himself, things he said, way he fought, way he thought.

Who else is worthy of this title? For, say, 1980 and onwards.

Mike Tyson?

What exactly is your era?

07-31-2007, 08:19 AM	#47
Titan1 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 4,423 vCash: 1000	Re: Hagler - Baddest Mofo of our Era Davey Moore was waiting for him.
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07-31-2007, 08:27 AM	#48
laxpdx Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 2,386 vCash: 1000	Re: Hagler - Baddest Mofo of our Era Yes we all found out what type of person he was outside of the ropes and he was rightfully punished. But before he was convicted he was just walking through the jr mid weight class. He was sure to walk over Moore, Duran, Benitez, and Hearns.
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07-31-2007, 08:29 AM	#49
laxpdx Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 2,386 vCash: 1000	Re: Hagler - Baddest Mofo of our Era Davey Moore was waiting for him. Davey Moore had to have been thankful Tony never arrived. But it's a double-edged sword. Duran arrived instead. Davey Moore gave a new meaning to the phrase "ill-fated"...... God rest his soul.
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07-31-2007, 08:54 AM	#51
enquirer Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,179 vCash: 1000	Re: Hagler - Baddest Mofo of our Era You saying ayala would have walked over duran,hearns and benitez? Post some footage of this mythical god......He must be better than hagler leonard and robinson combined.......Are you his brother or something?
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07-31-2007, 09:11 AM	#52
redrooster Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,857 vCash: 1000	Re: Hagler - Baddest Mofo of our Era Tony was the real deal. You all just don't know it. Tony was the new Harry Greb-just as nasty but with power in both hands. IMO, better than Mike Tyson could ever be but his career was cut short. What Mantequilla said was right but I'm talking about what he could do *inside* the ring with his fists. And together with Macho Camacho, was the prospect of 1982-the sure thing, the right stuff, and future champion. a lock to become future champ and the only way it could be prevented was to keep him from fighting. I favor Tony because he's younger, and naturally bigger and stronger and can punch holes thru most people. Benitez and Duran were dinosaurs. But Tommy with his youth and the fact that hadn't even reached his prime, would be expected to compete in a few years, maybe after Hagler finished with him.
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07-31-2007, 09:31 AM	#53
Stewbear Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 333 vCash: 1000	Re: Hagler - Baddest Mofo of our Era Tyson a bad guy not baddest mofo lol Anyway has to be Duran look at him in Hagler fight but Hagler also great pick.
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07-31-2007, 12:59 PM	#55
Dostoevsky Hardcore......to the max! East Side Guru Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Kingdom of Fife, Scotland. Posts: 7,734 vCash: 1000	Re: Hagler - Baddest Mofo of our Era I would put Duran at the top but the quitting against leonard and the brutal knockout loss to Hearns keeps him off the topshot. Hagler takes it.
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05-03-2013, 08:25 PM	#56
ThinBlack Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,985 vCash: 1000	Re: Hagler - Baddest Mofo of our Era Normally, I would say Marvin Hagler, but he went 15 rounds with Roberto Duran, so he loses some cool points, so I would say Mike Tyson.Can't see Carlos Monzon allowing Duran to survive past the fifth round.
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05-03-2013, 08:26 PM	#57
MAG1965 P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Dallas,Texas. Posts: 18,343 vCash: 1010	Re: Hagler - Baddest Mofo of our Era This thread is from 2007 before I was on ESB. Marvin was all about being a professional.
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05-03-2013, 10:09 PM	#58
Waynegrade Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,557 vCash: 1000	Re: Hagler - Baddest Mofo of our Era So I`m biased because I`m from MA. and I kind of grew up watching Hagler climb the ranks. Later, I trained my son and we then fought out of Goody Petronelli`s gym with Goody becoming my sons head trainer. But, how could we not love Hagler ? Head shaved to a glistening point, mean scowl framed with a goatee. Body cut from granite,especially that chin. And THAT atitude ! No one gave him a damn thing so he always fought with that chip on his shoulder. Refusing to shake an opponents hand before any of his fights. but none of that bullshit kind of talk that PBF engage in before fights. Just a mean and focused demeanor. Hood over his head on the way to the ring, shadowboxing the whole time. And then his icy stare during the refs instructions... Hagler didn`t `play` tough, he was tough !And while some other tough fighters would play the part of being a bad-ass. With Hagler you just knew that he totally felt he WAS a bad-ass ! No fronting with Hagler... Goody said that he always walked to the ring with Hagler dead sure he would win. I asked him why ? he said, `because I always knew what we had in Marv,he didn`t think anyone could beat him`...
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05-03-2013, 10:13 PM	#59
gentleman jim gentleman jim ESB Full Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 494 vCash: 500	Re: Hagler - Baddest Mofo of our Era Hagler respected Duran a little too much in thier fight but was in no danger of losing. When he truly didn't like or respect an opponent he could be downright murderous though. If only he and Leonard met a few years before. What a fight it would've been. Hagler at his best would've been a handful or more for any MW champion...I'll go with "more" instead of "handful" for the majority of those matchups.
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