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Old 07-31-2007, 11:16 PM   #1
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Mongolian wrestling is a traditional Mongolian sport that has existed in [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] for centuries.
Böke is Mongol for "wrestling", and is one of Mongolia’s age-old "Three Manly Skills" (along with horsemanship and archery).
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] considered wrestling to be an important way to keep his army in good physical and combat shape. Böke was also used occasionally as a way of eliminating political rivals. Mongol history records incidents of the Khan arranging to have political enemies killed via a wrestling match.
The Manchu dynasty (1646-1911) Imperial court held regular wrestling events, mainly between Manchu and Mongol wrestlers.
There are two different versions, Mongolian (in the country of Mongolia), and [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (in northern [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]).






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The object of a match is to get your opponent to touch his back, knee or elbow to the ground. In the Inner Mongolian version, any body part other than the feet touching the ground signals defeat. There are no weight classes or time limits in a match. Each wrestler must wrestle once per round, the winners moving on to the next round.
The technical rules between the Mongolian version and what is found in Inner Mongolia have some divergence. In both versions a variety of throws, trips and lifts are employed to topple the opponent. The Inner Mongolians may not touch their opponent's legs with their hands, whereas, in Mongolia, grabbing your opponent's legs is completely legal. In addition, striking, strangling or locking is illegal in both varieties.
In the case of a sacrifice throw, the first wrestler to touch the ground, regardless of who threw whom, is the loser.

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Böke events traditionally take place in the end of July or early August, during a festival called [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Play). A Nadaam is time for some fun and relaxation- a combined event of entertainment, sports, and commerce.
Böke matches are held in the open on a grassy field, or bare dirt ground not too hard or littered with gravel. There are no weight classes. A small wrestler can end up wrestling someone twice his size.
Traditionally, match-ups were not based on an equal chance. The host of a naadam had the privilege to arrange matches- often, in ways that lent their favorites the upper hand. Sometimes such arrangement results in serious disputes between hosts and visiting wrestlers.
The modern böke codes (since 1980) stipulate that a lot drawing method be used-only at major cross-regionally naadams and specialized böke championship matches; at the grassroots level the traditional system still holds sway.
Rank can only be attained during the [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] festival. The number of rounds won by each wrestler determines rank. In ascending order, the ranks are: unranked, bird(eagle), elephant(camel), lion(wolf) and titan(Knight, great warrior).

[[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]] Styles

Oirad: Resembles Freestyle wrestling.
The Ujumchin and Hulunbuir styles permit no moves between the legs and hands, whereas the Halh variant not only allows but requires grabbing the opponent’s legs.
A Hulunbuir wrestler may kick his opponent directly in the leg(s)-- a technique not sanctioned by the other styles and banned in the official code.
Finally, Ordos, Alagshaa/shalbur and Oirad wrestlers begin a match with the two opponents locked together, while the Ujumchin, Khalkha and Hulunbuir styles start a bout without physical contact.
Böke's definition of a fall varies from region to region:
The Oirad in Xingjiang (Eastern Turkestan) defines a fall as being when the shoulder blades touch the ground, which is similarly to the Turkic and international free style wrestling.
The Inner Mongol style, however, considers a fall to have occurred as soon as any part of the body above the knee (or ankle) touches the ground.
In Inner Mongolia this rule is shared by Hulunbuir, Ordos and Alagshaa/shalbur styles. The Halh variant, on the other hand, allows a hand to touch the ground without losing a bout.
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Old 08-01-2007, 06:45 AM   #2
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It is crap. I have been watching this thing called "Last Man standing" where a mixed group of Americans and Brits go around the world to face tribes in their local sports and see if they can cut it.

Anyway this American power lifter was the best of the UK/USA team and in Mongolia after a weeks training he got to the quarters of a big event and lost to the eventual winner. If he had won that fight he would have been officially ranked as a Mongolian wrestler.

The first man to touch the ground loses....it is hardly combat.
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Old 08-01-2007, 06:54 AM   #3
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Primative bollocks - the talent mongolian combat sports ends up in Japan - might be ok at boxing too if the training wasn't 1900s-esque -fullstop

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It is crap. I have been watching this thing called "Last Man standing" where a mixed group of Americans and Brits go around the world to face tribes in their local sports and see if they can cut it.

Anyway this American power lifter was the best of the UK/USA team and in Mongolia after a weeks training he got to the quarters of a big event and lost to the eventual winner. If he had won that fight he would have been officially ranked as a Mongolian wrestler.

The first man to touch the ground loses....it is hardly combat.
How large were his opponents, though? I checked an episode guide, and it said he did not get very far...and Mongolian wrestling must be reasonably legitimate when you consider, as China_Hand_Joe pointed out, they produced Asashoryu and Hakuho.

As a sidenote, Last Man Standing looks like an interesting show.
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Old 08-01-2007, 02:36 PM   #5
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Last Man Standing can be quite good, I've watched em all.

The American powerlifter got far cos he faced a 16 year old and a guy who he outweighed by a good 100 pounds or so. Then he faced a big guy, who was still much smaller, but he lost. He did lose to the eventual winner of it all.

Last Man Standing overall would have had about 4 wrestling episodes and it is interesting to see the similar techniques used nowadays. Clearly the wrestling shown in Last Man Standing is tribal and must be VERY VERY old.
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Was the Zulu stick fighting episode any good -questionmark-
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Was the Zulu stick fighting episode any good -questionmark-
I think so. They shat themself as they saw guys getting their heads cracked open. One of them wasn't allowed to fight because he looked stone cold with fear.

Jason and Mark got to the end and Mark was chosen the winner because he was more skilled.

The warlord put a piece of meat out and someone had to run to it and defend it. Jason, the nutter, went after it and 5 guys ran after him to start and beat him.

I've liked them all except the cricket one because it wasn't combat. Then when I watch the cricket episode I found I really liked it. I'm a sucker for hype and there is a twist at the end that I really liked.
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