Rewatched Calzaghe-Lacy

[achillesthegreat]

Originally Posted by CASH_718

Well Corrales was about 23 when he lost to Mayweather. Lacy was 28.

Corrales had time on his side.

Many said Corrales was shot betwen 28 to 30.

How do you know Lacy can't go until he is 40?

[achillesthegreat]

Originally Posted by CASH_718

Showtime doesn't have punch stats jagoff.

It was an ITV documentary that makes the claim. All their commentators, Frank ******, Calzaghe himself etc have picked up on it.

I'm sure it includes partially landed punches and it must be 1006 thrown or some shit.

One day I'll sit down and count.

[safe_pa]

Originally Posted by hughweb

Skill is meaning to use footwork and angles to get shots in.

That was just natural instincts because Calzaghe has ridiculous natural talent and instinct. You can tell he doesn't know a great deal about the skills aspects of boxing by hearing him speak - he's a heart fighter.

Surely talent = skill, be it natural or not?

also if skill is meaning to do something you imply that Calzaghe accidently used good footwork

[achillesthegreat]

Originally Posted by hughweb

Does that sound like he approached the fight scientifically?


He says himself that he goes into the ring with no plan, and relies on his instincts, natural talent and heart

No it doesn't.

He is saying he prepared himself to fight a hard 12 rounds.

[achillesthegreat]

Originally Posted by safe_pa

Surely talent = skill, be it natural or not?

also if skill is meaning to do something you imply that Calzaghe accidently used good footwork

Talent is not skill. They are two seperate things.

Calzaghe has very good level of talent and a very good level of skill, not to mention his intangiables are first class too.

[Leeroy]

Originally Posted by hughweb

Come on guys. Lacy was a fucking punchbag, you could see the tension in his shoulders at the weigh-in, and he looked muscle-bound.

Calzaghe didn't show a great deal of skill, he did show a great deal of handspeed (pitter-patters), workrate (pitter-paters), natural instincts and stamina, yes. But it's such an overrated performance. It was against nothing.

You're out of your fucking mind.

[China_hand_Joe]

Enzo Calzaghe is a supremely sucessful trainer, he makes up a lot of the brain -fullstop-

[Shake]

I honestly believe Calzaghe beat Lacy so convincingly everyones perception of Lacy is now that he wasn't any good.

Calzaghe's a unique fighter. The way he moves, punches, excites. We should treasure these when they come along.

[achillesthegreat]

Saying Calzaghe doesn't have or show much skill is MORONIC!

[Leeroy]

Originally Posted by achillesthegreat

Saying Calzaghe doesn't have or show much skill is MORONIC!

These people's heart are blinded by hate,so any rational thinking or objective observations aren't possible.

[The Italarican]

I actually wasn't as amazed by Calzaghe after rewatching the fight last night. Now that the shock has worn down, I saw that of course he was ridiculously dominant, but he didn't batter Lacy around as cleanly as I'd remembered. Don't think I'm saying he didn't batter Lacy handedly or that I wasn't very impressed; Lacy's face and wheezing after the fight speak for themselves.

I guess I'm saying that, sort of like Kelly Pavlik, it doesn't look at face value like the things he's doing are all that spectacular, but they produce amazing results. He's obviously doing a lot right, and I wouldn't change a thing with those results, but it doesn't look as impressive as far as CLEAN punching goes as I'd have expected.

[Bazooka]

I dont think Joe could have done any better than that fight, seriously every time I watch that fucking fight my hands hurt, he beat the living shit out of Jeff, what amazed me was not only the beating he dished out, but the beating Lacey was able to take all night

[Amsterdam]

Originally Posted by achillesthegreat

I love that bit. Watching LAcy survive that horrible moment was scintillating. Lacy going another 5 rounds and then being thrown around in the 11th and 12th was awe inspiring. COURAGE COURAGE COURAGE!

Joe broke his hand in round 7....

[Leeroy]

Originally Posted by Amsterdam

Joe broke his hand in round 7....

Really?

[Jinx]

Originally Posted by hughweb

Come on guys. Lacy was a fucking punchbag, you could see the tension in his shoulders at the weigh-in, and he looked muscle-bound.

Calzaghe didn't show a great deal of skill, he did show a great deal of handspeed (pitter-patters), workrate (pitter-paters), natural instincts and stamina, yes. But it's such an overrated performance. It was against nothing.

the most realistic post about Calzaghe i've ever seen on this board...