Louis vs Charles (prime for prime)

Bokaj · 11-29-2008, 10:40 AM

We all know has this played out in real life, but could Charles have beaten a prime Louis?

janitor · 11-29-2008, 11:42 AM

Potentialy yes.

Charles would simply be a nightmare for anybody on his best night. If Louis didnt take him seriously he could be in trouble.

Hydraulix · 11-29-2008, 12:10 PM

Joe said in his autobiography that there were so many openings available when he fought Charles, but he simply wasn't fast enough to catch him.

Prime versus prime, I'd give it to Louis.

he grant · 11-29-2008, 01:12 PM

No way ... even though he lost a fairly lopsided decision to Charles Louis fought very competitive in many of the rounds ... take a look at Charles face after the fight ... a prime Louis would have stopped Charles in the middle rounds ...

Bokaj · 11-29-2008, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by he grant

No way ... even though he lost a fairly lopsided decision to Charles Louis fought very competitive in many of the rounds ... take a look at Charles face after the fight ... a prime Louis would have stopped Charles in the middle rounds ...

That's oversimplefying it a bit I think. Conn, Farr and Pastor did better than that, and they were all inferior to Charles.

Joe E · 11-29-2008, 02:13 PM

Charles would have given Louis a match but you must remember that Charles had a tendency to brawl especialy when in trouble. Getting into a punchout with a prime Louis would be a big mistake. Louis late KO.

Minotauro · 11-29-2008, 02:47 PM

Prime Charles was a lot smaller but more effective especially because this would be Charles before the Baroudi tragedy. He could cause Louis problems style wise and with his speed and boxing ability but I feel Joe would stop him eventually in a great fight.

stonemittens · 11-29-2008, 03:37 PM

Prime vs Prime you have two all time p4p greats. I would have two give it to Charles even though he was the smaller man. Remember he is the only fighter to last 15 rounds with Rocky.

robert ungurean · 11-29-2008, 04:24 PM

I give Charles a slight edge.

ghettowizard · 11-29-2008, 04:37 PM

Hed cause Louis some problems but Id take Joe when its all said and done

Verbalkint · 11-29-2008, 04:58 PM

Louis would stop Charles late

Bummy Davis · 11-29-2008, 08:34 PM

That fight would prove that Charles was underated but Louis would prevail by a Stoppage...Still Charles had the slickness and tools and he would not coast like he did vs the old Joe it would be more heated battle with a lot of exchanges...but Joe was master at combination power punching and Charles would get caught in an exchange in a competitive bout Louis TKO 12

OBCboxer · 11-29-2008, 08:39 PM

Louis by late stoppage. Though Charles was slick and would give Louis some trouble early, Joe would find the openings and capatilize with his skilled combinations and stop him late.

Mendoza · 11-30-2008, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by joeezzard

Charles would have given Louis a match but you must remember that Charles had a tendency to brawl especialy when in trouble. Getting into a punchout with a prime Louis would be a big mistake. Louis late KO.

In the real match, a prime Charles busted up an old Joe Louis. However Louis in his prime has a lot of zip on his punches. In a prime vs prime match, I think Louis would land one of his Sunday's best and end it.

I agree with you. Charles was a stand and trade type of fighter who used hand speed and countering ability to win. I respect Charles. He was a pound for pound tough son of gun. Charles fought the same stand and trade style vs Marciano.

janitor · 11-30-2008, 07:47 AM

Would Charles necisarily stand and trade with a prime Louis?

He knew he could get away with it against the older version but against a prime version he might think better of it.

Another interesting "what if" is a scenario where Louis takes Charles on imidiately after the Walcott fight. Could he have had enough left at this point to slip past Charles and then string his title reign out further by defending against guys like Savold.

11-29-2008, 10:40 AM	#1
Bokaj Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 12,312 vCash: 1000	Louis vs Charles (prime for prime) We all know has this played out in real life, but could Charles have beaten a prime Louis?
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11-29-2008, 11:42 AM	#2
janitor P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 19,046 vCash: 1000	Re: Louis vs Charles (prime for prime) Potentialy yes. Charles would simply be a nightmare for anybody on his best night. If Louis didnt take him seriously he could be in trouble.
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11-29-2008, 12:10 PM	#3
Hydraulix Left Hook From Hell.. ESB Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 934 vCash: 1000	Re: Louis vs Charles (prime for prime) Joe said in his autobiography that there were so many openings available when he fought Charles, but he simply wasn't fast enough to catch him. Prime versus prime, I'd give it to Louis.
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11-29-2008, 01:12 PM	#4
he grant Historian/Film Maker East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 6,476 vCash: 1000	Re: Louis vs Charles (prime for prime) No way ... even though he lost a fairly lopsided decision to Charles Louis fought very competitive in many of the rounds ... take a look at Charles face after the fight ... a prime Louis would have stopped Charles in the middle rounds ...
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Joe E P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: May 2007 Location: Detroit,Mi. Posts: 21,225 vCash: 1000	Re: Louis vs Charles (prime for prime) Charles would have given Louis a match but you must remember that Charles had a tendency to brawl especialy when in trouble. Getting into a punchout with a prime Louis would be a big mistake. Louis late KO.
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Minotauro Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: May 2007 Location: London Posts: 2,886 vCash: 1000	Re: Louis vs Charles (prime for prime) Prime Charles was a lot smaller but more effective especially because this would be Charles before the Baroudi tragedy. He could cause Louis problems style wise and with his speed and boxing ability but I feel Joe would stop him eventually in a great fight.
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11-29-2008, 03:37 PM	#8
stonemittens Journeyman Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 73 vCash: 1000	Re: Louis vs Charles (prime for prime) Prime vs Prime you have two all time p4p greats. I would have two give it to Charles even though he was the smaller man. Remember he is the only fighter to last 15 rounds with Rocky.
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robert ungurean Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: liftin 3 kettlebells in pa.usa Posts: 2,172 vCash: 1000	Re: Louis vs Charles (prime for prime) I give Charles a slight edge.
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ghettowizard Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 221 vCash: 1000	Re: Louis vs Charles (prime for prime) Hed cause Louis some problems but Id take Joe when its all said and done
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Verbalkint Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 145 vCash: 1000	Re: Louis vs Charles (prime for prime) Louis would stop Charles late
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Bummy Davis Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: New York Posts: 8,186 vCash: 1000	Re: Louis vs Charles (prime for prime) That fight would prove that Charles was underated but Louis would prevail by a Stoppage...Still Charles had the slickness and tools and he would not coast like he did vs the old Joe it would be more heated battle with a lot of exchanges...but Joe was master at combination power punching and Charles would get caught in an exchange in a competitive bout Louis TKO 12
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11-29-2008, 08:39 PM	#13
OBCboxer Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 4,125 vCash: 1000	Re: Louis vs Charles (prime for prime) Louis by late stoppage. Though Charles was slick and would give Louis some trouble early, Joe would find the openings and capatilize with his skilled combinations and stop him late.
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11-30-2008, 07:47 AM	#15
janitor P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 19,046 vCash: 1000	Re: Louis vs Charles (prime for prime) Would Charles necisarily stand and trade with a prime Louis? He knew he could get away with it against the older version but against a prime version he might think better of it. Another interesting "what if" is a scenario where Louis takes Charles on imidiately after the Walcott fight. Could he have had enough left at this point to slip past Charles and then string his title reign out further by defending against guys like Savold.
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