When Rocky Marciano...

Most people on this site have me pegged at about 70.

So you have a good excuse. Having Alzheimer is no shame at all.

Anyway I am off to bed.

Yes,that's good for you.

[janitor]

Originally Posted by KTFO

Yes,that's good for you.

Don't forgett the list.

I will be scrutinizing your choices.

[mr. magoo]

Originally Posted by janitor

Don't forgett the list.

I will be scrutinizing your choices.

I'd like to see how this turns out.

[RockyJim]

We're still waiting for your list of fighters,asshole!! This should be good!!!

[JohnThomas1]

Originally Posted by Kings Randsom

If you boxed him, kept the fight on the outside like lewis did to him in both his wins then he was not hard to beat. I seem to remember him being the underdog against Lewis so that blows apart your theory.

Holyfields "heart" was only a factor when you let him get close to you and let it go to the inside. Lewis executed the perfect strategy against Holyfield because he never let it go to the inside.

A couple of things. Lewis isn't just any heavyweight and what range did Holyfield mainly beat Tyson?

[fists of fury]

Originally Posted by RockyJim

We're still waiting for your list of fighters,asshole!! This should be good!!!

Cue frantic googling.

[Manassa]

Originally Posted by Marciano Frazier

Now, I don't mean this as an insult, but I've seen you do plenty worse than "Ummming" someone.


So you're more or less saying that Turpin looked prettier doing the job than Marciano did. That may well be true, but Marciano did him in faster and more dominantly, so ultimately, even if he looked less economical or efficient in the process, his was, well, effectively at least as "effective" and "definitive". This is all a lot of hair-splitting, of course. Marciano put on a sloppy performance against Cockell, his form was unusually poor, and one would ordinarily have expected him to put Cockell away earlier. Not a big deal- for example, strictly speaking, no-name cruiserweight Ricardo Richardson beat Jose Ribalta more "effectively" and "definitively" than a prime Mike Tyson did.

Now, I don't mean this as an insult, but I've seen you do plenty worse than "Ummming" someone.

Not when they have a valid point.

Marciano put on a sloppy performance against Cockell, his form was unusually poor, and one would ordinarily have expected him to put Cockell away earlier.

And this is it. Turpin beat Cockell in better fashion, and that was my comment - don't confuse it with me saying 'Turpin was better' or using it as ammunition to degrade Marciano. Rather, I was praising Turpin.

[red cobra]

"Experts" nowadays just hate the fact that Rocky won 'em all and left most of his opponents unconcious in the process. Everyone has their opinions, however, and speculating on how the Rock would have done poorly against the new BIG HEAVYWEIGHTS from Liston on down the line to today is plausible and they have some reasonable points to make. However, what I find ridiculous are the jokers who make posts like "Roy Jones would whip Marciano", or ditto with James Toney, etc., There has NEVER been, then or now, a man from any division below heavyweight who would have beaten, in any way, Rocky Marciano. End of story.

[Manassa]

Originally Posted by red cobra

"Experts" nowadays just hate the fact that Rocky won 'em all and left most of his opponents unconcious in the process. Everyone has their opinions, however, and speculating on how the Rock would have done poorly against the new BIG HEAVYWEIGHTS from Liston on down the line to today is plausible and they have some reasonable points to make. However, what I find ridiculous are the jokers who make posts like "Roy Jones would whip Marciano", or ditto with James Toney, etc., There has NEVER been, then or now, a man from any division below heavyweight who would have beaten, in any way, Rocky Marciano. End of story.

I disagree. Randolph Turpin would have whipped him.